Negertjehenk Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Hey there guitar friends, One of my tuners broke a while ago on my Gibson Les Paul Traditional '09. I searched the internet to replace them with the original kluson tuners only to find out they aren't being made anymore. I know you can still get the original tuners here and there but I also found that replacing them with Grover tuners is commonly known as an improvement? But before I buy some of them grover tuners I'd like to know if they would fit without any additional drilling. And if they do, which kind of Grover tuners would you recommend? Thanks in advance. -_-
kidblast Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 how bout these ? http://www.stewmac.com/Hardware_and_Parts/Tuning_Machines/Solid_Peghead_Guitar_Tuning_Machines/Grover_Vintage_135_Series_3and3_Tuners.html
Negertjehenk Posted January 29, 2016 Author Posted January 29, 2016 how bout these ? http://www.stewmac.com/Hardware_and_Parts/Tuning_Machines/Solid_Peghead_Guitar_Tuning_Machines/Grover_Vintage_135_Series_3and3_Tuners.html They look almost identical to the original ones. Good find. Are you sure they will fit? And I discovered you can get them in the 14:1 ratio as well as an 18:1 ratio. Isn't the 18:1 more accurate? Thanks for the response!
kidblast Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 probably be ok,,, but if u check the link it has the specs for them so you should be able to compare. 18:1, vs. 14:1 ratio, not sure if more accurate is the "right" term, The 18:1 would be more gradual of a pitch change as you rotate the tuning head than the 14:1.
capmaster Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 how bout these ? http://www.stewmac.com/Hardware_and_Parts/Tuning_Machines/Solid_Peghead_Guitar_Tuning_Machines/Grover_Vintage_135_Series_3and3_Tuners.html These are the drop-in replacements, possibly except for the brand name embossment of same make like some OEM parts used by Gibson. probably be ok,,, but if u check the link it has the specs for them so you should be able to compare. 18:1, vs. 14:1 ratio, not sure if more accurate is the "right" term, The 18:1 would be more gradual of a pitch change as you rotate the tuning head than the 14:1. Nothing wrong with both these tuning ratios as long as the gear is fine. I'm wondering why one of the tuners is already bad. Did you perhaps overdo when stretching during restringing? This might cause premature failure of machine heads. E6th and plain G3rds can really be dangerous in this respect.
kidblast Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 yea cap same thought occurred to me. my 95 Standard went almost 20 years with the factory machine heads, and even then, only one was really showing signs of age.
Negertjehenk Posted January 29, 2016 Author Posted January 29, 2016 I'miss ashamed to say but.. I dropped the guitar. The tip about overstretching the strings when restringing is a good one though. It is possible I did that as well. Shall I just buy the mentioned tuners? Thanks for the advice guys.
capmaster Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Consider yourself lucky you just damaged a tuner. It could have come much worse. If you don't find bad marks at the headstock and at the tuner mounting surfaces after removing them, chances are no structural damage happened to the guitar and the tuners may solve the problem.
Negertjehenk Posted January 29, 2016 Author Posted January 29, 2016 Yeah I'm pretty sure the tuner is the only thing that is damaged. Guess I'm one lucky guy. You agree with buying the tuners mentioned above? I only want the best for my babe. ;)
capmaster Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 Yes, I would go with them. I always tend to buying a drop-in replacement as close as possible but could do without the GIBSON empossment on the back. Through the years there were lots of machine heads saying GIBSON, others GROVER, some bearing the Schaller-S, but however, most of my Gibbys from 1973 to 2013 say GROVER on their stock tuners. There's nothing wrong with that I think. :)
Negertjehenk Posted January 30, 2016 Author Posted January 30, 2016 No the brand isn't a big issue to me as well. I just want something that is a good quality product and doesn't look too different from the rest of my guitar. Now I only have to see if those tuners are available in my country (The Netherlands). Thanks for your help again.
capmaster Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 The Schallers surprisingly are LOTS cheaper - I bought some recently for a 30 years old guitar where they had been stock, too - but not scheduled to be in stock again before 26 February 2016 http://www.thomann.de/nl/schaller_st6kn_mechanik.htm http://www.thomann.de/nl/grover_135n.htm
Negertjehenk Posted January 30, 2016 Author Posted January 30, 2016 Nah I heard lot's of good stuff about Grover and I don't mind paying the extra money. What's your opinion on locking tuners?
capmaster Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 Personally I don't like them. The four stock Grover sets on guitars of mine, three Gibsons and one MIA Fender in these cases, are notorious E1st killers. I rather tend to downgrading to conventional tuners on these guitars. <_< Anyway, chrome-plated non-locking Grovers kill E1sts sometimes, too. None of my stock machine heads with nickel-plated shafts ever caused this trouble, no Grovers, no Schallers, no Klusons, no Gotohs. However, the nickel wears off meanwhile on my 1986 Ibanez Smooth Tuners II made by Gotoh. Lots of string changes behind them since then... Interestingly the die-cast, chrom-covered auto-locking Grovers on my Epiphone work nicely. I never tried Schaller locking tuners though. I guess it's about these: http://www.thomann.de/nl/schaller_keystone_sr_locking_tuners_ni.htm EDIT: I was just looking at the back of my Traditional 2013's peghead and found the tuners saying KLUSON! I wasn't sure about that before This would mean 99% they were made by Gotoh.
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