Salfromchatham Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Sorry for the last minute request. My acoustic duo is playing a 4 hour gig tonight. Two vocals and two acoustic guitars into a Tonematch Bose L1 system with a single bass module. The last time we played, I used a Zoom iq5 on my iphone, and placed it on a table 6 feet in front of where we played. I captured so much background conversation. Is there a better way with my iphone to record? Can you record from a Bose Tonematch straight into an Iphone 6? If not, should I pick up a Zoom H2N... and if so, can I go direct from the Bose into the Zoom H2N? How? Thanks in advance fellas. Sal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparquelito Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 I own a Zoom H2N, and I can tell you that it produces some really fantastic recorded audio. For a listen, go to our band website, click on the 'Music' tab, and then give a few of the sound files a try. We recorded those cuts live in our drummers (large, high-ceilinged) living room, using just the Zoom H2N on a mic stand in the middle of the room. :) My band link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salfromchatham Posted March 4, 2016 Author Share Posted March 4, 2016 Sparq - it sounds great... but how is it, and how would you use it/place it in a live bar setting? Last time I used a Zoom product but it picked up so much crown noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparquelito Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Sal, It has adjustable sound patterns, so you can set it on a mic stand in front of the stage (or even to one side or the other, as long as it is nearest your PA speakers with an even mix). It will literally pick up the sounds from one direction (band) and not pick up the sounds from the other direction (crowd noise), as long as you set the little dial to the appropriate pattern. See pic on the left below, for the shape of sound capturing you want at a given moment, in your case, 'XY': Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Sal, Do you have the Zoom recorder still and are you using a mixer or sound board into the Bose? if yes, see if the sound board/mixer has a aux stereo/mono line out you could go from that into the line-in to an mp3 recorder like the zoom (which on the zoom for example is stereo 1/8") on the other.) but it's an "it is what it is" situation with your levels. this would only pick up the crowd noise from your vocal mics which should be directed towards you guys and away from the crowd. I have a zoom too, we've never recorder a live gig with the duo I'm in, but I'll take a feed off my board all the time when we're working out harmonies and arrangements and we want the get an idea how things really sound. maybe that would be better than just using the Zoom mic, which is going to pickup everything imaginable.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbiii Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 I should have the exact answer to your question but I don't off hand. We also have a L1 (Model 2 in our case) with the mixer, and we use it when we are doing our acoustic duo thing. I have also recorded several shows, but not with the duo. I have several Zooms -- including an old 4 and also a 2 and the video camera. I love them for recording jam sessions (field work) but I was never tempted to use their mics in a full venue. In all the shows I have done in ways I consider successful, I have always gotten a feed off the board. Embarrassingly I don't know how (or if) that can be done on the L1 -- I assume it is possible, but ours is 1700 miles away and I don't remember all its outputs, but I would be shocked if you could not. In a loud venue, we use a pair of SM58s for vocals and SB57 for instruments -- we never plug in -- but for small loud environments, sometimes you have to. But the L1 is great in that regard. Here are a couple of shows we did plugging into the board. In both cases we used got the audio from the board -- I am pretty sure we used the Zoom 2 to record the audio, but not using its mics -- just an input from the board. https://vimeo.com/album/2024823 https://vimeo.com/album/1642014 The second one used a Zoom camera too -- but once again, the audio came off the board and not off the camera mics. Both shows were in medium sized performance venues with condenser mics. We love doing gigs with the L1. Have fun! All the best, -Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salfromchatham Posted March 4, 2016 Author Share Posted March 4, 2016 Thanks guys. I don't have time to pick up a zoom... My middle son, who is home from college, has an apogee jam. It seems I can go from the amp output into the jam, and then the jam into the iPhone voice recorder... This will yield no crowd noise, but possibly be artificial.... And just the mix output from the Bose. We will see how that goes. Thanks again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Thanks guys. I don't have time to pick up a zoom... My middle son, who is home from college, has an apogee jam. It seems I can go from the amp output into the jam, and then the jam into the iPhone voice recorder... This will yield no crowd noise, but possibly be artificial.... And just the mix output from the Bose. We will see how that goes. Thanks again... Turn phone ring off!!! Check menu for how long the recording will go without it stopping - may be a limit of 20 minutes or less (Zoom has these limits as well). Looking forward to hearing a result. Crowd makes it fun though! BluesKing777. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissouriPicker Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Interesting and informative discussion. Most of my performance recording/videoing is done with my Galaxy phone or maybe a webcam hooked to a friends lap top. The sound is fine, but I'm recording in coffeehouses and wineries. Not exactly loud crowds, even if there's 40-50 people at times. Being stuck-in-my-ways and "change challenged," I'd never paid much attention to zooms though I've heard friends talking about them, but after this I may be taking a look at them. Glad this topic came-up. "Good" is fine, but maybe for a bit more cost and a little effort it can get even better. Old dogs can learn new tricks, IF you can get them interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salfromchatham Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 Good news. Gig went great.mcrowd loved it. Tons of requests too. We actually did a behind blue eyes request... On the spot. We both had not played it in 25 years. Ha! Bad news. I recorded 4 hours of blank 😀Time to sleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullmental Alpinist Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Recording a live gig--Help? Oh, I thought you were looking for a roadie.... Nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Good news. Gig went great.mcrowd loved it. Tons of requests too. We actually did a behind blue eyes request... On the spot. We both had not played it in 25 years. Ha! Bad news. I recorded 4 hours of blank 😀Time to sleep You can claim it was the best gig with the best sound you ever had or heard and now there is no evidence! I suppose the 'in' was connected to 'out' by mistake? BluesKing777. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbiii Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Thanks guys. I don't have time to pick up a zoom... My middle son, who is home from college, has an apogee jam. It seems I can go from the amp output into the jam, and then the jam into the iPhone voice recorder... This will yield no crowd noise, but possibly be artificial.... And just the mix output from the Bose. We will see how that goes. Thanks again... Sounds like a great gig! As to crowd noise, if you use close action mics -- which are really a necessity with a loud stage -- the only trick we have used is to use a second recorder out front and then mix the two according to your taste. For long digital recordings, the separate sample clocks will always get the two audio tracks out of sync, so you have to stretch and sync the two by hand. This is not hard -- you can use programs like Audacity to do it -- but it is a pain or sure. If the stage is not too loud and you can get away with large diaphragm condenser mics, the problem mostly solves itself. The Bose works well for that too, but there are definitely limits on what you can get out of a Bose with that tower behind you and condenser mics in front of you. However, if you have a good natural performance venue that just needs to be boosted a bit and a really good and attentive audience, that works really well. There are of course a lot of ifs there. Here is an example with open condense mics and a really good audience -- the kind you would like to pay for coming. The crowd response is still muted but not completely. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vooo9aWkyXc All the best, -Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Sorry sal , You guys use the Bose ?(sal , didn't you have an as220?) Is it the compact l1 ? Or the higher end one ? I see the compact is down to £700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbiii Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Sorry sal , You guys use the Bose ?(sal , didn't you have an as220?) Is it the compact l1 ? Or the higher end one ? I see the compact is down to £700 We have the L1 Model 2 with the bass box and the mixer. It is a bit more powerful than the basic L1, but the real reason we have the Model 2 is we can squeeze six channels out, and thus use up to three people. At this point, my wife and I always gig together -- except when we occasionally play as side men for someone else -- which requires at least four channels. In addition, our preference is to use a sideman ourselves for lead instrument and/or the third harmony part. The Model 2 has both situations covered in spades. We don't use it when we have our full (bluegrass) band (4, 5, or 6) and we don't do solos. Solo is where the basic L1 excels I think. Best, -Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Thanks Tom Appreciate the info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salfromchatham Posted March 7, 2016 Author Share Posted March 7, 2016 Grunt... If we play bigger venues (Big bars) I run my vocals and guitar in my SA220, and he runs is vocals and guitar through is Bose L1 with bass module and Tonematch. His setup is over $2,000 I think. When we play a smaller place, like this past Friday, we will both go through his setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Would you advise one over the other sal ? If it's a Bose it'll just be the compact basic jobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salfromchatham Posted March 7, 2016 Author Share Posted March 7, 2016 Would you advise one over the other sal ? If it's a Bose it'll just be the compact basic jobby I LOVE my SA220. for one performer its awesome. Its actually good for two performers too... In that case get a small Mackie mixer and run it into the SA220, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Cheers sal Ya know , look it up online and a person has usually bought one or the other , and of course , the one they got is the best But you've used the two , so good points for the fishstick Er , hang on though , what's the mixer for ? Is the fishman not equipped with effects ? 😐 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salfromchatham Posted March 7, 2016 Author Share Posted March 7, 2016 Cheers sal Ya know , look it up online and a person has usually bought one or the other , and of course , the one they got is the best But you've used the two , so good points for the fishstick Er , hang on though , what's the mixer for ? Is the fishman not equipped with effects ? The Fishman has great reverb, and bass, mid, and treble control in the front two channels. So if its your guitar and vocals... you are all set. There is also an input in the back... but without EQ. If you want two performers to go through it (two singers and two guitars)... a small good quality mixer is great for you to all go through... and then from there into one of the front fishstick channels (you can use their reverb if needed). Don't get me wrong - the Bose is a great unit... and if you feel like you want more low end (bass) the bass module does that. Frankly, for two guitarists and singers... the fishstick has plenty of low end in my opinion. I also find it so clear and clean. And these line array units dont just sound good from 10 feet in front; further back gets the sound and volume too. I bought my stick for $850... and it sets up in a few minutes. It really is a nice unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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