Brexit 2. The road to nowhere?

[pippy]

...On this occasion I can't blame the Scots...

 

With the stress on the word 'this'?....................

That made me laugh out loud, M-E!

 

Thanks for the good cheer!

 

Pip.

[pippy]

...I think that soon we could live in a world with a possibility of Trump and Boris Johnson leading... That's just a weird looking world to me...

The prospect of Boris leading the Tories; Who knows who will be leading Labour; No-one can remember who is currently the leader of the Lib-Dems and Farage in charge at UKIP?

 

Arguably this leaves Nicola Sturgeon as the party leader who has most gravitas and shows the most common sense. Who'd'a'thunk'it?!....................

 

"Strange days, Archie!" ....

 

Pip.

[capmaster]

 

With the stress on the word 'this'?....................

That made me laugh out loud, M-E!

 

Thanks for the good cheer!

 

Pip.

There were exchange students from a grammar school in Scotland attending the class of my then-band's drummer in 1980. Once a teacher aroused them by accidentally calling them English The Scottish punk fan living at his family also slammed his drumsticks because they said "Made in England." However, he was a follower of the Sex Pistols, said the Queen was OK, and since decades he lives and works as magistrate of Her Majesty in New Zealand. :)

[jdgm]

[Rick]

I think that UK (England, at least) made the right choice, actually.

 

Italian politicians (which is the worst category EVER) will never let the people choose to leave the UE. I'm young, but I think that something went wrong with UE (especially with the Euro currency, that made everything more expensive for the "common man" -obviously, salaries did not increase. Plus, we have absurd taxation that kills small firms and low salary-families).

 

Also, there are too many strong commitments, mainly positive for banks/Germany..imho. Too much fright and terrorism from UE institutions..the way they advised UK about doing the procedures to exit it's a clear example of how much do they care about who does not make their same interests.

[Anthony Buckeridge]

Quote: "No political arguments. Well. We've voted out."

 

 

Larry, I think its vitally important.

 

Not to argue, deplore or rubbish others views here on the Gibson Fora.

 

Rather it's better to simply put one's own views if one feels compelled to do so and simply leave it at that.

 

Or share facts that are both unassailable and are helpful to the majority here who hail from another Continent in a Spirit of Sharing Greater Understanding.

 

For anyone who Celebrates the majority decision to leave the European Union this is not the place to Actively Crow, and for anyone who Deplores the majority decision to leave the European Union, this is not the place to Actively Complain.

 

 

 

After all, anyone who finds Genuine Democracy not to their taste, and actually prefers the alternative of some form of Totalitarian Dictatorship, can always go to Russia or North Korea!

 

 

 

The word "Sovereignty" has changed over time.

 

This is revealed clearly through its evolution in the Oxford English Dictionary.

 

And is why the Dictionary Meaning and the Strict Legal Meaning in Jurisprudence do somewhat Differ.

 

However, most people here will readily clearly understand "Sovereignty" as the Supremacy of Right to Self Governance.

 

For most of the History of Britain, "Sovereignty" rested with either the King or Queen as a Monarch, to Rule and Govern the Country.

 

450 years ago, Two Bloody Civil Wars, were fought, commonly thought of as One Historic Event, the English Civil War. The ultimate result of these was:

 

The Beheading of Charles I the King.

 

The Exile of his heir Charles II.

 

And eventually, following the short periods of the Commonwealth of England and then a Protectorate under Oliver Cromwell.

 

Constitutionally, "Sovereignty" was passed from the Monarchy, to the Forming English Parliament, where it has rested and remained for Hundreds of Years.

 

 

 

 

This is the Fundamental Salient Point to Absorb. "Sovereignty" rests with Parliament.

 

 

 

 

When Britain first joined what is now know as the European Union, everyone was told they were joining a "Common Market", and that it was simply about Trading Goods.

 

Under the 30 year rule where Government Documents are kept secret for decades, it is now abundantly clear, that the British people were Deliberately Lied To, by their own Government. Politicians Tell Lies!

 

Furthermore, as the Plan for a United States of Europe has unfolded, Britain has been changed over time by forces external to it, Historical Lies have become ever more apparent, and unacceptable to the majority, as the Referendum Clearly Demonstrated.

 

For in the last twenty or so years in particular, at an ever accelerating rate, through New Treaties Altogether, Existing Treaty Changes and Backdoor Agreements, the British Government have Ceded British Parliamentary "Sovereignty" (or the Right to Rule one's own Country) away from the British Parliament, and increasingly given "Sovereignty" to the European Union.

 

Although the Ruling British Politicians have twice promised the British People an Opportunity to have a Referendum on these changes, twice they have Changed their minds at the last moment and Subsequently Blocked and Denied the British People the Opportunity to Agree or Disagree with the Direction and Choices that the Officials were making, that have hugely affected both the Population and Culture of this Country.

 

 

 

Gagging the Peoples Democratic Voice.

 

 

 

Considering the Amount Politicians have to say.

 

Without ever saying anything substantive whatever.

 

Whilst enjoying the Gravy Train of Lucrative Expenses.

 

Whilst travelling on a Publicly Funded, Subsidised Ego Trip.

 

 

 

That really does take the biscuit, talking endlessly whilst Gagging the Opposition, often by falsely accusing those that legitimately object to uncontrolled migration as Xenophobic and Racist.

 

So the disaffected population have strongly grasped this opportunity, finally having a Platform to Express their View.

 

It's important to realise that the vexing issue is not simply that people come from other Countries.

 

Rather that a population increase equal to the Creation of a Large City, occurs annually.

 

Traffic is gridlocked on the roads, Housing, Schools, Doctors, Hospitals.

 

Are all severely strained by the sheer numbers.

 

 

 

 

Some blame the Government, others blame Uncontrolled Migration.

 

I think the truth is that both are responsible for the current situation.

 

 

 

 

Another issue is that the European Union has Proven Impervious to Change From Within over the last 43 years of Membership.

 

They are Blinkered Horses, Racing on a Set Course, and will not accommodate those who argue for moderate policies.

 

Therefore, the U.K. Majority felt they had No Other Option, than Completely Withdraw from the European Union.

 

Simply to Regain Control over the Factors that negatively affect, huge parts of the British Nation.

 

This is why there are regional variations, as not all regions are similarly affected.

 

 

 

 

Some will feel these Changes are for the Better.

 

Other will feel these changes are for the Worse.

 

I am not presenting an argument for either way.

 

 

 

Rather, simply seeking to help people on other Continents put what it's all about, into some kind of Overall Historical Context with a Time Line that can be Followed and Understood.

 

There are many different factors that feed into swaying people towards choosing to prefer to leave or remain in the European Union but the really important one, in many people's view is this:

 

Is it right and proper for here today, gone tomorrow Politicians, to Give Away "Sovereignty" or the Supremacy of Right to Self Governance, to people, in other Countries that do not have our own best interests at heart, and so that effectively, we no longer have control over our own Nation, Rules and Laws?

 

Actually in Effect, these Politicians have been Trading British Democratic Rights, "Sovereignty" the Right to Self Governance, as cheaply as chips, simply for better trade deals, boosting economic activity simply so that the wealthiest of the Country can become Richer Still and big Business make still Greater Profits? Shamefully Selling the RIGHT TO RULE or "Sovereignty" to Vested Interests.

 

Furthermore, a condition of the Single Market is that Free Movement of people between what were once Self Governing Nations, with their own Languages and Cultures occurs, without any restraint or control at all whatever. The German Chancellor told the British Parliament that it can do nothing about the Huge Number of Eastern Europeans that Migrate here. This was an Affront to many British People.

 

Many European Employment Agencies Advertise Jobs in Britain making them available to Eastern Europeans, but do not Advertise them or make them available for British People to Even Apply for Jobs in their own Country. The European Union wants Mass Migration, it wants the Populations of Europe to think of themselves as European. Not as English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish or British which is of course, what they are, with Rich, Historic, Cultures.

 

 

 

 

 

British Treasury Figures show that for every 10% Increase in Migration, Average Earnings for Lowest Paid British Workers is depressed by 2% so Wages for a great many who voted, have been continually compressed and flat for around 10 years or more.

 

Whilst at the top of the tree, I know of many people, colleagues, who Double their Salary, Double their Bonus (often twice their Salary) and Pension Annually and have done so, Every Year, over the Same Period.

 

 

 

 

If I said to you, North America can have a special trading relationship with ALL the countries in the Continent of South America, Canada and Alaska.

 

All you have to do is agree to allow everyone who lives in All those Counties, complete access to all North America, with freedom to travel live and work in North America or wherever they want within the Area.

 

You can't ask and check whether they have a Criminal Record when they come in, so All Criminals have equal freedom along with everyone else who wants to come to your country and there's nothing you can do about that, unless you can legally prove at point of entry, they are an Immediate Threat to the Nation.

 

You also Have to Allow your Countries House of Congress and Senate to be Superseded in its Major Laws, Rules and Governance in a Great Many Matters, allowing a Supra Continental Supreme Court to trump the American Supreme Court, and Unelected, Appointed, Supra Continental Leaders from a Supra Continental Parliament, to trump the American Congress and Senate, its Laws, Rules and all that goes with it, including the American Presidency.

 

Perhaps you yourselves, as American Patriots, might seek to find a way to trump such a Political Movement.

 

This is what the British, European Referendum Clarified.

 

Who Owns and Runs Great Britain!

 

In reality, the truth is.

 

That was decided.

 

450 years.

 

Ago.

 

 

 

 

They tried to give away our Country.

 

And we have Stopped Them.

 

Taken it Back to Own.

 

And Control It.

 

 

 

 

If you really think about it.

 

It's The Boston Tea Party all over again.

 

The European Union play the Part of the Establishment.

 

And the British Patriots play the part of the New America Population.

 

They want a Proper Say over what Happens, to be Captains Steering their Own Ship.

 

Just as America did in 1773. So if you approve of the Actions of the Sons of Liberty in 1773, you will Fully Appreciate the Independent Spirit of British Patriots.

 

 

 

 

God Bless America. God Bless Great Britain.

 

God Bless Everyone who Stands Tall for Freedom and Democracy.

 

God Bless these Solid Foundations, Our Gift to the World, Our History and Heritage!

[btoth76]

Hello again!

 

Giving KSDaddy some work again?

 

I think, this should be the future for Europe. (Never mind the boxed text.)

 

 

A separate West-, and East-European Union (without Turkey, obviously).

 

Bence.