OldCowboy Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I've said this previously: from one example to another, Doves can present an amazingly violin-like variation from bright to dark and points between. A quality of various maples, perhaps? It makes searching for the Dove that suits your needs an engaging and rich experience, at least it was thus for me. Managed to find one that's capable of touching both extremes and is still comfortably in the mid zone unless otherwise encouraged, but the quest was lengthy. Didn't really want the expense of accumulating a trio of Doves.😔 Would have been OK with that, but there are so many Gibsons and only so much cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroAussie Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Id be happy to find just one, i just never seen one around here or most parts of europe.  I've said this previously: from one example to another, Doves can present an amazingly violin-like variation from bright to dark and points between. A quality of various maples, perhaps? It makes searching for the Dove that suits your needs an engaging and rich experience, at least it was thus for me. Managed to find one that's capable of touching both extremes and is still comfortably in the mid zone unless otherwise encouraged, but the quest was lengthy. Didn't really want the expense of accumulating a trio of Doves.😔 Would have been OK with that, but there are so many Gibsons and only so much cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 I've said this previously: from one example to another, Doves can present an amazingly violin-like variation from bright to dark and points between. A quality of various maples, perhaps? It makes searching for the Dove that suits your needs an engaging and rich experience, at least it was thus for me. I believe you and admit not having played that many. Still my D-picture is pretty clear. Â Here's my own 96'er in a test from 3 years back. Â It's a generous well-opened creature - you'll see what is meant by deep projecting, fat'n'rich maple-syrup dripping. . Â Â https://soundcloud.c...ibson-dove-test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I believe you and admit not having played that many. Still my D-picture is pretty clear.  Here's my own 96'er in a test from 3 years back.  It's a generous well-opened creature - you'll see what is meant by deep projecting, fat'n'rich maple-syrup dripping. .   https://soundcloud.c...ibson-dove-test   That example would sell more doves than any other I've heard  Mic type ? Position etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 That example would sell more doves than any other I've heard  Mic type ? Position etc?  Thanx bbg - I think this was done in the studio. Can't remember the mic, but the position was somewhere 25-30 centimeters in front of the 12-14th fret, U know. Looking up the files, they tell me it was wired with D'Addario EJ 16's - and that they were approx 14 months old.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Thanx bbg - I think this was done in the studio. Can't remember the mic, but the position was somewhere 25-30 centimeters in front of the 12-14th fret, U know. Looking up the files, they tell me it was wired with D'Addario EJ 16's - and that they were approx 14 months old. Â Â Truly sounds fantastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroAussie Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 That example would sell more doves than any other I've heard  Mic type ? Position etc?  Yeah, I agree, thats a superb tone, and great playing or course. But you can hear those rounded, juicy yet crystal clear notes. Adn the thunderous bass.  Send an enquiry about this one, about same price as what i sold the 69er, so would be sort of straight 'swap'.  Its 98' so had 20 years to open up and seems a reasonable price - Em7, what are your first thoughts ?  http://www.ebay.com/itm/1998-Gibson-Dove-in-Flight-acoustic-guitar-ltd-edition-139-of-250-all-original-/252577184286?hash=item3acec5fa1e:g:Vd0AAOSwZJBX-sE5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I'm sticking nose in  Did you sell the C&W for £2000 !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 Truly sounds fantastic  Yeah, I agree, thats a superb tone, , , ,  Em7, what are your first thoughts ?  The Dove sounds really good, but have to say the recording has an issue. Zoom in on the highs and you'll hear an insisting overtone almost like a flute or a high organ. It's a Bb - but let's say "B" as we are a half step down - and it's generated by the 3rd fret high G. This note here and there collides with the (zig-zag) playing and is rather dominant.  Just tried the guitar and it's still there. However not at all that pronounces as in the recording. Maybe we could have EQ'ed our way out of it (the take is close to neutral and done from the hip). Could be interesting to check if it's still there in standard tuning - probably is.  The 98 (semi) Doves in Flight looks promising. I like the brownish back'n'sides better than mine, which is very cherry. Also like the tulip tuners better - mine has nameless, but Groverish kidney-shaped ones. Golden too, but faded to a point where the metallic material comes through - that's rather cühl tho.  I'd give this maple-flier a go. Especially as I have the feeling they are easily passed further in the proud city of Prague.  Well - Exciting  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroAussie Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I assume the issue with the overtone is specifically related that particular guitar, rather than a 'Dove' thing ?  Do you think the price is fair for the 98' Doves in Flight, they seem to really range in price from this level to stupid prices for non vintage models like $6,000.  BBG: yes, i sold it for just under 2k GPB, which is what i paid for it 6 years ago in NYC. I could have solid it for more most likely on the German market but had a seller on the door with the cash so went ahead with it. Young guy, only 26 years old, lucky bugger to be playing a Gibson at that age. I was stuffing around with Epis at that age.  Also, do you guys have any clue if i will need to pay duty on arrival in CZ ? i assume not, as its in the EU and the UK is still in the EU. i remember when i had the Lg-2 flowin from the US i got slugged another 20% duty which really hurt.   The Dove sounds really good, but have to say the recording has an issue. Zoom in on the highs and you'll hear an insisting overtone almost like a flute or a high organ. It's a Bb - but let's say "B" as we are a half step down - and it's generated by the 3rd fret high G. This note here and there collides with the (zig-zag) playing and is rather dominant.  Just tried the guitar and it's still there. However not at all that pronounces as in the recording. Maybe we could have EQ'ed our way out of it (the take is close to neutral and done from the hip). Could be interesting to check if it's still there in standard tuning - probably is.  The 98 (semi) Doves in Flight looks promising. I like the brownish back'n'sides better than mine, which is very cherry. Also like the tulip tuners better - mine has nameless, but Grover-like kidney-shaped ones. Golden too, but faded to a point where the metallic material comes through - that's rather cühl tho.  I'd give this maple-flier a go. Especially as I have the feeling they are easily passed further in the proud city of Prague. Well - Exciting  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 I assume the issue with the overtone is specifically related that particular guitar, rather than a 'Dove' thing ? Â Do you think the price is fair for the 98' Doves in Flight, they seem to really range in price from this level to stupid prices for non vintage models like $6,000. The overtone is hardly audible in the couch, but sings like a background-whistle on the take. I think it's recording. I also believe we witness more wolf-tones than we are aware of when it comes down it. They are often hidden behind or rather above the immediate sound we produce - the things we play. Â In my general experience maple is pretty free of overtones. And I btw. never heard the 'flute' in the test before today. Â The price for that DIF seems fair. Presume the bracing and bridge are tight and stable, but how about the frets ? The reason I called it a 'semi' is the p-guard, which presents a regular Dove motif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 That example would sell more doves than any other I've heard  Mic type ? Position etc? I love this thread! Indeed, that's a good'n as the local parlance would have it! 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
62burst Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 No , I like a hummingbird and a j200 as much as the next guy. Think it's the bridge , and the pickguard is a little sparse .  My opinion matters not and many love them and I can see why , but it just doesn't seem to all line up as well as others .  But they do sound great , and the red back and sides I do like  The bridge is an usual design, and no petite thing, at that. Gibson has also had a roughly similar bridge on the Heritage model:    1998 Dove:   'Does get one to wonder: the bridge covers a sizable amount of real estate; is the bridge plate under all that? Anyone able to come up with a Dove bridgeplate image? The inlaid "wings" make for a heavier look- Gibson similarly had at times filled the moustache of the J-200 with m.o.p. as well:   Maybe if the Dove's bridge was cut out (and radiused) where the m.o.p. is, exposing the top, à la SJ-200(?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Yeah , maybe . The j200 bridge is a nice thing to look at That heritage bridge is another that I'm not fond of   Like I say , it's horses for courses and who cares what I think .  Listening to em7 playing one has swayed me more than anything could. But he does have magic hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlejohnny Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Hi there,  lately I've been lusting for a maple Gibson too,  EA, theres a used 2014 Dove near me for 2300,-€.  https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/gibson-dove-limited-edition-2014-antique-cherry-nur-abholung-/479557895-74-1889   checking and buying guitars for others is great fun, when you don't have the money to get another one for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Â Rosewood sounds dark and muddy...................... Â Â Maybe with old rusty strings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Had a D-28 that qualified as dark and muddy - everybody who played it/listened to it agreed that it was a mediocre example for exactly that reason. So I know it can happen, but note it as an exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj200strummer Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Maybe with old rusty strings. Â I totally agree! I ve played maple j200s that sounded more muddy than my RW j200.... Â It differs from each guitar to guitar, of course. Â Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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