LarryUK Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Oo2H-W7d6A Looks like this is going to come true! Roll on the carboardcaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevDavidLee Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 There's this 1905 Martin :o But no ivory in there :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 There's this 1905 Martin :o But no ivory in there :) Do you know how many oysters had to die to make that fretboard!?! This is a joke, only a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Strange that this information appears in one place only and refers to an announcement made to the trade, that nobody else in the trade can seem to substantiate. I'da thought by today they'd have this sung from the rooftops, jack the remaining RW boarded guitars a couple hundred at dealer, Win Win Win! rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hall Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 box elm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 Strange that this information appears in one place only and refers to an announcement made to the trade, that nobody else in the trade can seem to substantiate. I'da thought by today they'd have this sung from the rooftops, jack the remaining RW boarded guitars a couple hundred at dealer, Win Win Win! rct Yeah ive had a good look around and cant find anything other than that article.. Weird... And I did check that the article date wasn't April 1st.. :) (as actually that was my first thought) Donno. But then I don't really think its that surprising.. Id say from a business view point having sustainable woods for your production line is important.. If Rosewood has become too difficult because of the new laws then it makes sense that they phase it out and use something which is easier for them. I have also read (with no substantiation at all) that in 2018 the same is going to happen for Ebony... So a new more sustainable wood will be needed at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 The blog referred to, has since put a "disclaimer" now, stating that Fender has clarified that only "certain models" will no longer have Rosewood boards, and not the entire line. https://www.reidys.com/blog/rosewood-no-more-fender-cites-1901/ CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Charlie Brown just killed the thread!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Charlie Brown just killed the thread!! OH??? Surely, there's still plenty to contemplate, regarding fingerboard woods, and other guitar related wood, on this thread! CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 OH??? Surely, there's still plenty to contemplate, regarding fingerboard woods, and other guitar related wood, on this thread! CB yea but,, MUST we??? LOL! I think eventually, this will all become something builders and players will have to deal with. Taylor has already changed some of it's processes to deal with the ebony situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeman Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I'm starting a rosewood and ebony tree farm in my backyard. I'll hook you guys up in like 60 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 yea but,, MUST we??? LOL! I think eventually, this will all become something builders and players will have to deal with. Taylor has already changed some of it's processes to deal with the ebony situation. As far as I know Taylor own the only legally harvestable Ebony left in the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Hmmm....I wonder if Epiphone bought some, from Taylor, for this model? http://www.epiphone.com/Products/Electrics/Les-Paul/Ltd-Ed-Inspired-by-1955-LP-Custom-Outfit.aspx CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 Hmmm....I wonder if Epiphone bought some, from Taylor, for this model? http://www.epiphone.com/Products/Electrics/Les-Paul/Ltd-Ed-Inspired-by-1955-LP-Custom-Outfit.aspx CB Well from what I know there are still some stock piles of it around the world.. I can go buy one of Ebay any time... BUT I think it wont be too many years before that is all gone.. The price goes up every few months too.... So it can still be had. But I don't know for how long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 As far as I know Taylor own the only legally harvestable Ebony left in the world? I think so Rabs the biggest take away from that interview with Bob Taylor was the amount of "usable" ebony gets cut down, but NOT used because of coloration (light brown lines of grain) in the wood. Taylor started using them, and since then, you will see a Taylor fret board with light brown steaks in it. I'm actually surprised we've come this far with out any serious regulations being imposed. btw, as an point of ref. I have one of those "baked maple" sg's from 2012. There's really nothing I can find that I dislike about the neck or fretboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 I think so Rabs the biggest take away from that interview with Bob Taylor was the amount of "usable" ebony gets cut down, but NOT used because of coloration (light brown lines of grain) in the wood. Taylor started using them, and since then, you will see a Taylor fret board with light brown steaks in it. I'm actually surprised we've come this far with out any serious regulations being imposed. btw, as an point of ref. I have one of those "baked maple" sg's from 2012. There's really nothing I can find that I dislike about the neck or fretboard. Totally.... People need to start changing their expectations a little I think... The waste is nothing short of criminal.... And is why it wouldn't surprise me if that in 2018 they do the same for Ebony.. It is on the endangered list but at the moment needs no certification (which Rosewood does now).. And yes, I really liked the Baked Maple I had on a Firebird I once owned.. Looked the part but was almost as smooth as Ebony... I cant see any down side to it. I don't know exactly how long the baking process takes though? They may choose a wood that is more sustainable but doesn't need a process like baking and can be processed quicker through the factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cody78 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Well from what I know there are still some stock piles of it around the world.. I can go buy one of Ebay any time... BUT I think it wont be too many years before that is all gone.. The price goes up every few months too.... So it can still be had. But I don't know for how long. Gibson still uses ebony on their high end archtops - Super 400's, Le Grande's, L5's, Citations and also on their LP Custom True Historic reissues, so they must have some left. My 2015 L5 (see avatar) has an Ebony board...and this '74 Custom at GAK has one too. https://www.gak.co.uk/en/gibson-custom-1974-les-paul-custom-reissue-vos-ebony/117430?gclid=CJT6gZ39nNMCFeMp0wodnFwC5A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Totally.... People need to start changing their expectations a little I think... The waste is nothing short of criminal.... And is why it wouldn't surprise me if that in 2018 they do the same for Ebony.. It is on the endangered list but at the moment needs no certification (which Rosewood does now).. And yes, I really liked the Baked Maple I had on a Firebird I once owned.. Looked the part but was almost as smooth as Ebony... I cant see any down side to it. I don't know exactly how long the baking process takes though? They may choose a wood that is more sustainable but doesn't need a process like baking and can be processed quicker through the factory. I think baked maple is used for other things and isn't new at all. There's probably a ready, stable supply of that. The guitars I've played with that have been just fine. I think the fretboard on my 000-16 is katalox, or possibly granadillo maybe? Doesn't matter, it's fine whatever it is. I think from the playing it point it doesn't really matter much. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Gibson Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 1491933389[/url]' post='1848606']Totally.... People need to start changing their expectations a little I think... The waste is nothing short of criminal.... And is why it wouldn't surprise me if that in 2018 they do the same for Ebony.. It is on the endangered list but at the moment needs no certification (which Rosewood does now).. And yes, I really liked the Baked Maple I had on a Firebird I once owned.. Looked the part but was almost as smooth as Ebony... I cant see any down side to it. I don't know exactly how long the baking process takes though? They may choose a wood that is more sustainable but doesn't need a process like baking and can be processed quicker through the factory. I have a baked maple fretboard on a melody maker which I like better than the rosewood fretboard on the other melody maker,like you said it's smooth as ebony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I have also read (with no substantiation at all) that in 2018 the same is going to happen for Ebony... So a new more sustainable wood will be needed at some point. I thought it already had happened to ebony. Its been so rare for many years now. I value rosewood as a body material for acoustic guitars. My Fylde has beautiful rosewood back & sides. It is an important component in the sound of the instrument. I played many Fyldes (In their original workshop) constructed from a variety of woods before choosing that one. They all had very different sound qualities. Whereas fingerboards is vitally important for feel, it has far less of a role in sound (if any?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darling67 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Hmmmmmmm. Sounds a bit drastic to me. But if it's true, I am glad I got my rosewood Tele earlier this year! Rosewood is the only way to go, for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 I thought it already had happened to ebony. Its been so rare for many years now. Yeah its odd.. While it has been on the endangered list for years.. You can still get it from legal sources and at the moment it needs no certification.. But I reckon it wont be long before they change that and is surprising they didn't do it at the same time as they did Rosewood???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I think baked maple is used for other things and isn't new at all. There's probably a ready, stable supply of that. The guitars I've played with that have been just fine. I think the fretboard on my 000-16 is katalox, or possibly granadillo maybe? Doesn't matter, it's fine whatever it is. I think from the playing it point it doesn't really matter much. rct Agree, unless you're playing on a guitar with vintage style (real thin) frets, like you'd find on a 50's reissue, I don't expect many people would notice it one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I have a baked maple fretboard on a melody maker which I like better than the rosewood fretboard on the other melody maker,like you said it's smooth as ebony. Agreed. I love the hard smooth torrefied maple board on my ES-339 Studio. Heat treating maple is so much better than encasing it in varnish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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