Net Neutrality Thing of the Past

[surfpup]

I have not emailed my congress people for 2 reasons.

 

 

1. They are major TOols

2. They are already against letting nuetrality expire.

 

 

Not participating in the process is not helping. Apathy only allows more of us to get f*$&^ed!

 

Are you sure they are against it? Who are your reps?

[pappy]

Did you mean this?

 

 

will it have that SSSSCCCHHHWWWEEEERRRRREEEKKKKKKEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSKKKKKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEE noise for about 20 seconds after you plug your laptop in to the one phone socket connector in the whole office (well, out by the receptionists desk) 3 times a day to see if anyone has sent you an e-mail message like back in the mid-nineties? I miss that.

[pappy]

[american cheez]

yeah, yeah, everyone knows there's lots of porn on the internet, and lots of people like porn but are embarrassed by that. but also too, this gives these corporations way more control over what you are able to access on the internet. there is so much access to information via the internet, (setting aside communications and entertainment) is it like our modern-day library of alexandria. if your isp does not agree with certain concepts/opinions, they can see to it that people's voices are no longer heard. if you want to know or learn anything via the internet after this, it will only be what they allow you.

 

also i would point out that those of you who deal with local monopolies, you are not alone. in ontario ad most of canadia, it is the same game, different tiny group of viable players.

[Guest Farnsbarns]

You guys do all know that net neutrality has only been law in the US since 2015, right? It was fine for decades before.

[ksdaddy]

You guys do all know that net neutrality has only been law in the US since 2015, right? It was fine for decades before.

 

That's what I was thinking too. Not taking sides here because no matter how many times I read about it, I still don't get it. It's my understanding that some of these companies throttle back their speeds at some point whether it's legal or not. In my own thought process, "they can do whatever they want and lie through their teeth about it so what difference does it make whether it's legal or not?"

 

All I know is that I'm paying $184 a month to Time Warner/Spectrum for cable tv and internet. There is precious little on tv that I want to watch for free, let alone pay for it, so I will be turning in my DVR box next week. I will keep the internet because it is very reliable and fast. The bill will go from $184 to $60 or so....at least for now. Maybe this whole neutrality thing will affect me later on. My wife watches Netflix and Hulu on her phone. I've flipped through their offerings. Not impressed.

[Pinch]

Farns: I did know that. It makes it politically... interesting.

 

I dumber, and less funny than, FZ Fan, so I'm still not sure what it's all about, but ever since my first dial-up modem, I knew there would be privacy issues and vested interests down the line. It was quite the Wild West in the mid- to late nineties, something the "youth of today" will never experience.

 

Then again, they're all looking at Facebook on their phones all the time while out in public, and should be hit by cars more often.

[Pinch]

Good points there, Chris.

 

I don't, however, feel it's a conspiracy theory to say we're under a microscope if the powers that be find us... interesting.

 

There are, of course, ways to get around that. Me, I don't care enough to do that. Europe's gotten a lot more volatile, and I can see more reasons for microscopes now than I did when I was younger. I may not LIKE being supervised, and I'm definitely aware of it, but...

 

It's a complex discussion, and it's all too easy to go all political.

 

I once thought the no-politics policy on here was silly. Then I went on Facebook, and now I see why ksdaddy enforces it. It's like a social media civil war out there!

[Guest Farnsbarns]

That's what I was thinking too. Not taking sides here because no matter how many times I read about it, I still don't get it. It's my understanding that some of these companies throttle back their speeds at some point whether it's legal or not. In my own thought process, "they can do whatever they want and lie through their teeth about it so what difference does it make whether it's legal or not?"

 

All I know is that I'm paying $184 a month to Time Warner/Spectrum for cable tv and internet. There is precious little on tv that I want to watch for free, let alone pay for it, so I will be turning in my DVR box next week. I will keep the internet because it is very reliable and fast. The bill will go from $184 to $60 or so....at least for now. Maybe this whole neutrality thing will affect me later on. My wife watches Netflix and Hulu on her phone. I've flipped through their offerings. Not impressed.

 

Actually, you've made a good point when you said they can just lie anyway. They can't. Keeping records and providing evidence of their neutrality has been a huge and costly burden. That's what they claim is the reason they want it gone. And they claim they will invest that money in providing a better service. Time will tell.

 

It's very interesting to us in the UK. It makes no sense to us one way or the other, and here's why...

 

Nearly all the lines are owned by BT, the long since privatised, but once public body who put it all in. We simply passed legislation which says they must wholesale that to others. Now we have genuine competition so I can choose from at least 15 ISPs, as can almost anyone else. If sky (broadband and TV provider) decided to throttle Netflix, all their broadband customers would simply leave and go to the next ISP who don't.

[Guest Farnsbarns]

It must be said, you're all being totally ripped off either way. What you guys pay is an absolute outrage.

 

I get about 800 TV channels, HD, 3d, 4k and all that, hundreds of box sets, on demand channels etc from Sky and 80mb broadband (and it's is 80mb, always) evening and weekend calls, line rental, voicemail, caller display etc from EE and I pay about £50 a month in total, plus netflix and Amazon (which I don't really need) for about another £12. That's about 75/80 of your colonial and treaturous, silly S shaped (sorry, that's aimed at FZF :D ) monies.

 

When I hear about people paying in the hundreds for a single TV provider and frankly, pitiful broadband I can't help but chuckle. Competition is what's missing.

 

You just need to pass a law to say they must all wholesale lines to each other and bingo, instant competition.

[Big Bill]

Well, they can slow it down for you, they can detect your unusually high use of the sites and say, hey let's slow it down and mess with him.

 

 

Well, they did just that last night!!!

[deeman]

I'm seeing ads on twitter sponsored by Comcast in favor of net neutrality.

 

If Comcast is for this, then I don't know if I am for it. I feel like if the government controls things, the big companies like Comcast can lobby congressman (see how much they've donated to them already) to ensure they keep their monopoly.

 

I feel like the government should stay out it...but I still don't understand it.

[Riffster]

It must be said, you're all being totally ripped off either way. What you guys pay is an absolute outrage.

 

I get about 800 TV channels, HD, 3d, 4k and all that, hundreds of box sets, on demand channels etc from Sky and 80mb broadband (and it's is 80mb, always) evening and weekend calls, line rental, voicemail, caller display etc from EE and I pay about £50 a month in total, plus netflix and Amazon (which I don't really need) for about another £12. That's about 75/80 of your colonial and treaturous, silly S shaped (sorry, that's aimed at FZF :D ) monies.

 

When I hear about people paying in the hundreds for a single TV provider and frankly, pitiful broadband I can't help but chuckle. Competition is what's missing.

 

You just need to pass a law to say they must all wholesale lines to each other and bingo, instant competition.

 

That is the problem, in an industry that is largely a monopoly in the USA we need better regulations at least to offset the lack of choices we have.

 

For years I paid like $170 $190 a month for internet/cable and poor customer service. The saving grace in Nashville is that Google fiber is in town and while Comcast has done everything they can to slow them down it has affected their prices. I canceled cable TV and only buy internet services at 100 Mbps for $50 a month, I locked a 3 year deal, at that price I wish I could have locked 5 years.

 

The competition is Nashville is fierce, Comcast has done everything they can to slow down Google by essentially not allowing them to rearrange cables on posts until Comcast shows up and does it themselves, they claim it could affect their services. So now Google is cutting "micro-trenches" in order to lay fiber under the pavement and not have to wait for Comcast to rearrange their cables on posts.

 

Also, while I find those guys from AT&T U-Verse annoying that has been another contributor for me to have gotten a better deal from Comcast.

[ksdaddy]

Sometimes I think I've reached the saturation point with the internet and cable. It took many years, but I've arrived at the plateau where anything I want to buy is available on ebay and I can set up alerts for it so I don't even have to go looking. I no longer need to go (or get excited by) roaming ebay like it was a big outdoor flea market. As to email, the ONLY emails I get are from my mother or spam. And facebook? I see that waning. I've spent a ton of hours on there in 7 years but I'm very much bored with it. I've lately made it a project to clean up my photos on there. My timeline photos alone went from 3200 to about 400 in a couple weeks. I've also been going in and deleting any and all political rants, social rants...okay, rants, period. I can't rant here on the forum so facebook has been my podium for many years. I'm methodically going in and deleting old posts. Orwellian? Maybe. But I'm only doing the revisionist historian thing to myself. My sense of humor has very few boundaries and I will laugh at things that others don't find amusing because it's in bad taste...but I've also come to the realization that even though I'm a sick f***, doesn't mean I should dump it on everyone's doorstep. Time to clean up. Still lots of pics of my dogs and the occasional selfie with leopard ears.

 

I'm no longer a viable computer consumer. The last laptop I bought was a used Dell with Windows 7. We just switched over to Windows 10 here at work and I am amazed at how an 'upgrade' can be such a quirky, unreliable piece of excrement.

 

Ditto for phones. I have an iPhone 6s, as does my wife, and we both agree that there's nothing else we would want in a phone, and neither of us have plans to upgrade even though both are paid off. Will something spark me later on? Maybe. But I'm no longer an easy sell for 'latest and greatest'.

 

As to porn, if any of it was believable, it would be worth watching. I've seen very little that convinced me that they were unaware of the cameras (and the meters) running.

[Pinch]

Well, you're married...

 

I watch porn. Dunno who said people found it embarrasing to admit. Or why.

 

Knowing full well that my searches will be recorded, I sometimes put in searches for OUTLANDISH sxit. Nothing illegal or anything, more akin to search strings like "legal midget porn with a Custom Shop Les Paul".

[Big Bill]

It's porn. Believable. It's people having sex on camera for money for our entertainment. Nothing more. You are getting way to deep.

 

I paid to be in a porn movie once.

[Big Bill]

I'm seeing ads on twitter sponsored by Comcast in favor of net neutrality.

 

If Comcast is for this, then I don't know if I am for it. I feel like if the government controls things, the big companies like Comcast can lobby congressman (see how much they've donated to them already) to ensure they keep their monopoly.

 

I feel like the government should stay out it...but I still don't understand it.

 

Good point right there

[Big Bill]

The internet was made for free porn and music.

 

This was before the internet

[merciful-evans]

I paid to be in a porn movie once.

Yes! You were. I thought I remembered that animated image from somewhere.

[Big Bill]

Little Willie Herman

[MrNylon]

Me as well. I dumb.

 

I'll second that one for myself.

[rct]

1982 - 83ish I was guitar player for Billy Paul, Me and Mrs Jones guy. He was making his "comeback" record, and it really was a comeback once we got him cleaned up and able to stand long enough to sing. Yes, we warmed up and set levels doing that song.

 

So part of that whole deal was when Billy was unavailable the band would record these 5, 6 minute long instrumentals that the recording mastermind of this whole deal had written with his wife. 3, 4 chord romps through semi-jazz fusion land with super rack of doom guitar stuff and loads of meandering keys solos. It was fun, we probably put 6 or 8 of these down in a few overnights over a couple weeks time. As a recording unit we kept Iron City in the beer business that year, and MAN Billy could put that away.

 

So we demo'd up Billy's stuff and he sold it as his comeback record and they kept the demo'd versions of four of them, maybe three. It was such a smash he moved to England to avoid the debt collectors, but he made a couple more since that record we did got balled up in legal stuff. Eventually he came back and ended up back in Blackwood NJ, not far from the apartment I used to pick him up at back then to go record. He died there couple years ago.

 

Years, like 20 years later, the studio guy told me he sold them instrumentals to a production house that used them in porn. So if you were crankin out a batch in the mid 80's that might have been me in the background there, wailin away. Or Randy on keys.

 

We fairly regularly have dinner with my pop right across the street from that place, just there two weeks ago, me and Mrs looking at that old building. Good times indeed.

 

rct

[zigzag]

 

Years, like 20 years later, the studio guy told me he sold them instrumentals to a production house that used them in porn. So if you were crankin out a batch in the mid 80's that might have been me in the background there, wailin away. Or Randy on keys.

 

rct

 

Dripping with wah, as I recall.

[dustymars]

 

 

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