sebastian76 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Hi there, I wonder if a set of Deluxe Kluson are better than the generic epiphone tuners... as I know both are made in china...so cpuld be the same crap... and what about the tonepros-kluson tuners? another chinese thing? thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 I had Epiphone Deluxe Tuners on my Blueshawk that wore out after about 6 months. They were 18/1 ratio tuners that worked well for a while but got really sloppy. I replaced them with Grover Deluxe 135N vintage style nickel bolt-bushing tuners. They look the same except the housings are cast and are a very smooth 14/1 ratio. These are very comparable with Kluson or Wilkinson tuners.. any of these would be an improvement.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebastian76 Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 I had Epiphone Deluxe Tuners on my Blueshawk that wore out after about 6 months. They were 18/1 ratio tuners that worked well for a while but got really sloppy. I replaced them with nickel Grover Deluxe 135N vintage style nickel bolt-bushing tuners. They look the same except the housings are cast and are a very smooth 14/1 ratio. These are very comparable with Kluson or Wilkinson tuners.. any of these would be an improvement.. this tonepros-kluson tuners are 16:1 is it a good thing? thanks in advance for the info cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 this tonepros-kluson tuners are 16:1 is it a good thing? thanks in advance for the info cheers 16:1 would be a finer tuner than 14:1 which is what most Gibsons use. also be aware that if they have bolt bushings the post hole may need to be enlarged a bit.. If they do not have bolt bushings they should be a direct replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebastian76 Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 16:1 would be a finer tuner than 14:1 which is what most Gibsons use. also be aware that if they have bolt bushings the post hole may need to be enlarged a bit.. If they do not have bolt bushings they should be a direct replacement. thanks a lot for your reply mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevo58 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 If you replace the tuners with something that uses 10mm posts (like Grovers or other threaded-bushing tuners) be careful when you push the old bushings out. They are likely stuck to the lacquer, and you will probably take some of the lacquer along when you push it out. Guess how I know this. If you have to push the bushings out, do it like this: 1) use a scalpel or sharp fine hobby knife to score the finish under the bushing. This way, any poly you take along for the ride will be limited to an invisible part of the headstock. 2) I used a clamp, an 8mm bolt, and three wood shims for the front side to gently and evenly push out the bushing. My only problem was with the first one I did, before I remembered to score the finish. My Casino was 2 months old when I replaced the tuners with Schaller ST6K. The stock tuners just didn't feel right to me, and I prefer the look of hideous green plastic keystones on Gibson-family headstocks. steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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