Revolution Six Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I use a wide leather strap that is not sewn, just a straight piece of leather with a ruff rawhide underneath side, and that eliminated most of the dive on my SG's. I find that Epi G400's are way worse with neck dive than their Gibson counterparts. + 1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) If you have a Gibson or Epiphone SG with the 61 slim taper neck you may have a little neck dive. The Epiphone G400's use the 61 slim taper neck (not including the Epiphone SG's with bolt on's). The Gibson 61 slim taper neck was replaced by the newer longer neck joint that changes the strap button geometry moving it farther forward providing better balance. The 61 slim taper neck SG's are effected by the hardware you have installed, Humbuckers weigh more than P-90's and how many you have installed, Grover style cast weigh more than Kluson style and tremolo's also add a lot of weight. So basically what I am saying here is if you like the 61 neck joint, versus the bulkier new neck joint, the "Neck Dive" will be effected by the weight distribution of your hardware. A lot depends on how often or easy you need to reach for fret 22 and stretch it to the elusive 5th E or beyond..... there has been a bit of variation on the neck joint and button placement over the years. If you have a 61 neck joint with 3 Humbuckers and a tremolo you won't have neck dive. Edited April 5, 2018 by mihcmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorQ9 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 A number of guitars suffer from neck dive but the poor SG always comes to mind first. It really is no mystery when you look at how the "plank" is designed - it is a matter of the center of gravity. The fact that so many workarounds exist for the SG begs the question - can't the brilliant minds at Gibson figure out a redesign that avoids neck dive? For any model? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 7 hours ago, DoctorQ9 said: A number of guitars suffer from neck dive but the poor SG always comes to mind first. It really is no mystery when you look at how the "plank" is designed - it is a matter of the center of gravity. The fact that so many workarounds exist for the SG begs the question - can't the brilliant minds at Gibson figure out a redesign that avoids neck dive? For any model? Of course they can; and do. They could make the body heavier. They could shorten the neck by bringing it inboard, but with restricted upper fret access. They could make it headless design. All sort of things really, but then it wouldn't be an SG anymore and that could never be permitted by the Gibson Faithful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Necessity is the ..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinch Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Are they all neck heavy? You'd think Angus Young, at approx. 30lbs,would fall over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldorado2001 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 On 3/17/2023 at 7:01 AM, merciful-evans said: ...but then it wouldn't be an SG anymore and that could never be permitted by the Gibson Faithful. Absolutely! I have 3 SGs, they all neck-dive to some extent. It's never been a problem though, because I play with 2 hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 1 hour ago, eldorado2001 said: Absolutely! I have 3 SGs, they all neck-dive to some extent. It's never been a problem though, because I play with 2 hands. it's all about getting the right strap really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong Heavy Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Neck dive on Gibson SG guitars doesn' t exist. Neck dive on Epiphone SG copies is a real problem. Anyway an SG need light weight tuners, KLUSON Revolution for a modern SG and Schaller G Series Double Ring for a vintage style SG. A set of Schaller G Series Double Ring on my Ebony SG '61 Reissue , 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 (edited) Epiphone SG's typically use the 61 neck design on the right. On the left since 2020 only the Epiphone SG Standard and SG Classic have the more modern Gibson SG style of extended neck joint moving the strap button farther forward providing better balance. My 2020 SG Classic doesn't dive even when using the seatbelt style of strap, in addition it has the heavier cast Kluson style tuners with threaded bushings. Below my 2011 limited edition 61 SG Special is light so not a big problem holding the neck up, will dive a bit when I let go. This has the lighter 3 on a plate Kluson style tuners. Edited April 9, 2023 by mihcmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbpark Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 (edited) SG neck dive is a topic that has been blown out of proportion as a result of Internet forums. I've owned several differnt SG's over the years including a few Standards of differnt years, a couple reissues and several SG Classics (P90's) and NEVER had any issue with neck dive. Didn't matter if I used a cheap, $5 no-name nylon strap or a nice Levy's strap or a hootenanny style strap, etc. Neck dive simply has never been an issue and seems like more of a topic for discussion. by those who have nothing better to do and should be playing their guitars more and spending less time on the interwebs.. Edited April 17, 2023 by sbpark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Being retired I spend lots time playing, I try to spend at least a few hours every week plying each guitar in my stable. One of my favorites is this Wilshire that has a little dive, but its so light the leather strap holds it in position quite well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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