Black Dog Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 I got this from my sales tech at Sweetwater, who I've been working with for a number of years now, (since 2005 I think???) according to him, it's often down to dog ends for profit margins for a lot of what they are selling with these promos. they continue to do it, because it allows them to sell the #s they need to maintain their "Status" with the major manufactures. everyone is feeling the bite here. not just us wee consumers. If that's true then all the retailers will be out of business soon, and that may well happen. Hum, maybe that's why Gibson set up it's online store? And, not to question the sincerity your salesperson, but I've never, ever trusted a salesperson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digger Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 It strikes me as just another reason why small retailers will not be supporting the brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 There was a dude upping the ante on Facebook yesterday, he said Gibsons fret ends are so high on the guitar he tried that his fingers where getting chopped off. He claimed he knew exactly what he was talking about because he's been playing for decades. Fingers...chopped off...something to watch for if you are trying a Gibson. Yeah, we all have nothing but stumps where our fingers used to be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFord Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Manufacturers need to treat their retailers like gold. This is a YUGE blunder which will come back to bite them in their bumble bee capacitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Manufacturers need to treat their retailers like gold. This is a YUGE blunder which will come back to bite them in their bumble bee capacitors. [thumbup] CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx-ogre Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 yes, but only long neck tenon pigeons Don't forget the hide glue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 It strikes me as just another reason why small retailers will not be supporting the brand. 👍☺👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 If that's true then all the retailers will be out of business soon, and that may well happen. Hum, maybe that's why Gibson set up it's online store? And, not to question the sincerity your salesperson, but I've never, ever trusted a salesperson. Quite a few potential customers for so-called 'luxury' items share that perspective. Some sales folks are, for sure, born to sell snake oil - but the grim reality is that small places are always having to struggle to keep the lights on, the customer happy, the major guitar companies from dumping them, the employees fed, and the lupine beast from the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Quite a few potential customers for so-called 'luxury' items share that perspective. Some sales folks are, for sure, born to sell snake oil - but the grim reality is that small places are always having to struggle to keep the lights on, the customer happy, the major guitar companies from dumping them, the employees fed, and the lupine beast from the door. Yeah, I know. I've owned my own business before. I know it's tough. Really tough. Whenever I see a small shop of any kind shut down I feel very bad, I know people do put their heart and soul into their business. When they fold, it hurts. And I should clarify about sales people, it's not that I think they're all bad, they're not. The problem is it's not always easy to tell if they are or not. Then again, I don't trust anyone easily, that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Manufacturers need to treat their retailers like gold. This is a YUGE blunder which will come back to bite them in their bumble bee capacitors. I tend to agree in a lot of ways. Manufacturers no longer 'cover your back' if you're selling their product - quite the contrary, actually, they'll stab you in the back if they decide it's to their immediate advantage. I believe it's just a fact of doing business in the late 20th/early 21st centuries. It's never personal, unless you happen to be the one getting stabbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Yeah, I know. I've owned my own business before. I know it's tough. Really tough. Whenever I see a small shop of any kind shut down I feel very bad, I know people do put their heart and soul into their business. When they fold, it hurts. And I should clarify about sales people, it's not that I think they're all bad, they're not. The problem is it's not always easy to tell if they are or not. Then again, I don't trust anyone easily, that's just me. Although I normally don't say anything about it, I owned a small acoustic music store for several years c. late 80's to mid 90's. Fortunately, I had other sources of income. It definitely opened my eyes, gave me a bad attitude which wore off eventually, and did nothing to increase my faith/trust in commerce and some people😂. Got pretty good at recognizing trustworthy folks and their opposites, though. With me, real trust has to evolve over time in most instances😒 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Yeah, we all have nothing but stumps where our fingers used to be... Yep. If I hadn't played the guitar for so many years, I'd have the freakishly long fingers of a master cellist😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 I can hardly wait until the internet nutjobs start returning out of tune guitars with blood on the fret ends and strings higher than 1123/2167ths at the 12th fret with links to their GIBSON RAGE PAGE. I think they'll really start to appreciate the dealer network they once had. rct If the buyer has to pay shipping charges for returns, they'll probably think twice about returning it for something trivial. If Gibson takes extra care to ship good product, then they probably won't get as hurt by a solid return policy. Kiesel/ Carvin isn't getting hurt with their return policy. I think direct sales are a good idea. Even better if there is a price reduction to the consumer from the elimination of the middle man. And there are plenty of good brick and mortar stores with technicians that would be happy to work on a Gibson (for a fee), even those who have been burned by Gibson in the past. If you can afford a Gibson, you can afford to pay for a setup or a faulty switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Scales Posted March 2, 2018 Author Share Posted March 2, 2018 It strikes me as just another reason why small retailers will not be supporting the brand. Can't see it having much effect as their would-be customers can buy on line from big retailers at the same price right now if they are just price shopping. More likely to impact big store sales I'd think as another competitor with greater variety of items? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Quite a few potential customers for so-called 'luxury' items share that perspective. Some sales folks are, for sure, born to sell snake oil - but the grim reality is that small places are always having to struggle to keep the lights on, the customer happy, the major guitar companies from dumping them, the employees fed, and the lupine beast from the door. I'll give you all of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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