fortyearspickn 474 Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 It would seem, with all the phony rhetoric spewed regularly by the UN regarding 'Save The World' , 'protect the environment', etc. they could at the very least form an effective program to deal with specific issues like this. Tigers is another example, overshadowed by elephants whales, etc. It's not just a few dozen species of trees. Can't the UN take one of their 'paramilitary' units and go down to Africa and start poaching the poachers? Or, do the criminals who employ the poachers and export the contraband payoff the politicians to ensure no real counter-measures are allowed? Can't the UN figure out how to track down who buys this stuff? It seems they try to intentionally 'go through the motions' on thousands of causes and don't do anything particularly well. Madagascar destroyed most of it's hardwood jungles. Their unique fauna lived there. NOW that country is 'concerned' with their ecology. Hah. Brazil - cleared millions of acres of jungle for farmers. Sold some wood, burned some. Used some to make shipping crates and pallets. So UK burns a few hundred guitars that contain a smudge of the total problem - on the altar of Environmental Protection. Greed always wins. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pippy 1,552 Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Well, we're going away from the issue of guitars / 'illegal wood' being destroyed but just a little bit more about the trade in animal poaching. There is no easy solution to the problem of poachers across Africa. The countries involved are just too massive and the borders too 'porous' for effective patrolling which in turn means it is almost impossible to guard against the trafficking of ivory etc. Many wildlife reserves have a 'Shoot on Sight' policy which has been fairly effective. Last time I heard (from an acquaintance who works on an elephant sanctuary) there were reportedly approximately 100 poachers being killed annually. Unfortunately the financial rewards are so great that people are still willing to risk their lives in huge numbers. The value of powdered rhino horn, for example, can be as high as $60,000 per kilo - which is almost 50% higher than the price of gold bullion. Poachers have responded by killing park rangers. Six were killed in the Democratic Republic of Congo only last month bringing the total number of rangers killed over the last 20 years to over 170. Pip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badbluesplayer 688 Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 It sounds like whoever owned the guitars did not contest the action to destroy the guitars. The guitars mustn't have been all that important. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pin 86 Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 It sounds like whoever owned the guitars did not contest the action to destroy the guitars. The guitars mustn't have been all that important. Government agencies all too often manifest as like the inquistors of a Kafka novel. If you have read Kafka you know it is better to give up sooner than later. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malchik 59 Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) But China ARE signed up to CITES?... And the mob pays their hydro bills but are the hydro company going to come around when they tell you they don't owe you this month? China is corrupt to the core, friend. Edited May 2, 2018 by Malchik Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pippy 1,552 Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 China is corrupt to the core, friend. Can you name one country which isn't? Pip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pin 86 Posted May 3, 2018 Report Share Posted May 3, 2018 Can you name one country which isn't? Pip. Relative to China - Britain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rabs 1,455 Posted May 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) Relative to China - Britain. They probably would if they thought they could get away with it... That damn freedom of informations act... :unsure: Edited May 3, 2018 by Rabs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pippy 1,552 Posted May 3, 2018 Report Share Posted May 3, 2018 Relative to China - Britain. Yes. Relative to China. Pip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badbluesplayer 688 Posted May 4, 2018 Report Share Posted May 4, 2018 Cordoba - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsg97bxuJnc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malchik 59 Posted May 4, 2018 Report Share Posted May 4, 2018 Can you name one country which isn't? Pip. Sure, but I think comparing a western nation (outside of EU states, anyway) wouldn't be fair seeing as China is a still a communist nation without a constitution. Would you feel betting if I said Pakistan or Indonesia? Because your not really cementing your case that China will play ball with CITIES other than saving a little face now and thern. No one is going to go after them for their elite having wall to wall rosewood flooring or foods made from endangered animals. But we don't see much of that here... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdgm 919 Posted May 4, 2018 Report Share Posted May 4, 2018 Cordoba - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsg97bxuJnc [laugh] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Cordoba Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregsguitars 6 Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 The irony to me in the matter is the government's choice of ' Let's just confiscate the products made with this "protected" species" and .....destroy them... Stupid is as stupid does in these cases... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherJ 11 Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 Government destroys things like this for a reason. It takes the product out of circulation thus lessens the market (and then demand) for such products. No one would touch a BRW guitar if mere possession was illegal and all guitars seized were destroyed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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