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[quote name='newfiesig' timestamp='1528858315' post='1940055']
I read a lot of contradictory posts on removing gforce tuners from Les Pauls.

Has anyone actually done this? Did holes have to be drilled for the new tuners?
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Whether or not you have to drill holes depends on what you are replacing the Robot Tuner's with, yes? If I were doing it, I would go with good old GIBSON DELUXE Tuning Machines (ALSO: check to see what was the stock Tuning Machine on the Les Paul STANDARD TRADITIONAL Model that particular year)......from what I remember they have holes that line-up and will only require that you get the new screws in straight and not over-tight to the point of stripping.

FWIW, if your taking the G-Force off the Guitar make sure to get a set of Tuning Machines that have holes that line-up with the existing holes on the back of the Head-Stock. This way there is NO DRILLING and later on, NO HOLES will be visible and you can put the G-Force Tuner's back on, later, especially if your selling the Guitar. IDK, its just that drilling holes in GIBSON Guitars, OMG, especially a Les Paul STANDARD, seems so wrong to me.

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Turns out that L&M will do it for me for free. They started providing this service for people who bought guitars with gforce in order to sell them.

Now I just have to decide on tuners...

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[quote name='Revolution Six' timestamp='1529042935' post='1940497']
The new KLUSON Revolution are great, high ratio 19:1, vintage design , locking version available [thumbup]
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I DID have my eyes on them... I’ll have to check them out.

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[quote name='Leonard McCoy' timestamp='1529063924' post='1940530']
There's nothing in my books that tops nickel Grover locking tuners.
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I’m looking to stay vintage...

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[quote name='newfiesig' timestamp='1529036895' post='1940490']
Turns out that L&M will do it for me for free. They started providing this service for people who bought guitars with gforce in order to sell them.

Now I just have to decide on tuners...
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I assume they did charge for the cost of the new tuner set? Edited by leonitus

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[quote name='leonitus' timestamp='1529431188' post='1941306']
I assume they did charge for the cost of the new tuner set?
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I haven't got the guitar yet (shows up Thursday), but yeah, they will be charging for the replacements. Which is fine as I would rather pick out what I want rather than be pigeon holed into a cheap set that they throw in.

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[quote name='newfiesig' timestamp='1529433501' post='1941314']
I haven't got the guitar yet (shows up Thursday), but yeah, they will be charging for the replacements. Which is fine as I would rather pick out what I want rather than be pigeon holed into a cheap set that they throw in.
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Thank you. Labor costs being what they are, that’s a great incentive Edited by leonitus

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Nobody seems sure about what replacements will drop straight in.
There were a couple of threads 2 years back where such sets were identified, but the board has been re-organised since. They are lost.

I'm in no hurry to do this, but since I've had 2 G-Force malfunctions, I'd like to source replacements (without drilling holes).
My G-Force has lasted 3 years, and I will miss the easy string changes, but I need to rely on them!

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[quote name='merciful-evans' timestamp='1529578739' post='1941687']
Nobody seems sure about what replacements will drop straight in.
There were a couple of threads 2 years back where such sets were identified, but the board has been re-organised since. They are lost.

I'm in no hurry to do this, but since I've had 2 G-Force malfunctions, I'd like to source replacements (without drilling holes).
My G-Force has lasted 3 years, and I will miss the easy string changes, but I need to rely on them!
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From what I'm tracking, there are two different size peg holes (vintage and modern). The GForce (I believe) would be considered modern.

Please someone chime in if this is not accurate.

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[quote name='newfiesig' timestamp='1529601864' post='1941742']
From what I'm tracking, there are two different size peg holes (vintage and modern). The GForce (I believe) would be considered modern.

Please someone chime in if this is not accurate.
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Step 1 Take off G Force

Step 2 See if the tuners you want to install fit

Step 3 If said tuners do not fit very carefully ream out the hole for said tuners. I used a drill and covered the holes with masking tape so I would not damage the finish

Step 4 Drill Small pilot hole to secure tuner to headstock

Step 5 Play that mother.

Seriously I did it on a '57 ES-225TD I had. The vintage original tuners sucked arse and would not stay in tune, and I installed modern ones. Not a big deal. See if you can guess what album some of those are.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/WnKxHSo.jpg[/img] Edited by LP Trad Pro II

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[quote name='LP Trad Pro II' timestamp='1529603191' post='1941744']
Step 1 Take off G Force

Step 2 See if the tuners you want to install fit

Step 3 If said tuners do not fit very carefully ream out the hole for said tuners. I used a drill and covered the holes with masking tape so I would not damage the finish

Step 4 Drill Small pilot hole to secure tuner to headstock

Step 5 Play that mother.

Seriously I did it on a '57 ES-225TD I had. The vintage original tuners sucked arse and would not stay in tune, and I installed modern ones. Not a big deal

[img]https://i.imgur.com/WnKxHSo.jpg[/img]
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Step 3 is where I have the issue. I don't want to ream out the holes. I would rather find a set of tuners that fit into the holes with no modification.

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[quote name='LP Trad Pro II' timestamp='1529604043' post='1941746']
If I can do it anyone can. Remember go slow and use tape. You can even buy manual reamers that will drastic reduce the wood chipping if it all.
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I'm sure I can do it (I recently built a table set out of walnut). It's just that I would rather not remove wood from my guitar if I don't have to. And as long as there are tuners out there that fit the current hole, I don't have to.

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[quote name='LP Trad Pro II' timestamp='1529603191' post='1941744']
Step 1 Take off G Force

Step 2 See if the tuners you want to install fit
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It would be nice not to have to buy them 1st, but I cant see any hole position/centers being listed.

[quote name='LP Trad Pro II' timestamp='1529603191' post='1941744']
See if you can guess what album some of those are.


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Well, Skull**** stands out a treat [thumbup]

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Sorry that I don't know if the G Force holes are big enough for good Grovers or Gibson or Kluson or Schaller vintage lookalikes. That's the question you asked. You can easily find the specs for specific tuner sets on the web, since everyone (who is halfway careful) has the same "does it fit?" question. I'm sorry not to have that info, but you can easily find it. Now, how can I turn your question into a post about me...?

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[quote name='merciful-evans' timestamp='1529609199' post='1941756']
It would be nice not to have to buy them 1st, but I cant see any hole position/centers being listed.



Well, Skull**** stands out a treat [thumbup]
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Nice to know some people remember what they wanted to call it.

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[quote name='S.Ustain' timestamp='1529893393' post='1942345']
Sorry that I don't know if the G Force holes are big enough for good Grovers or Gibson or Kluson or Schaller vintage lookalikes. That's the question you asked. You can easily find the specs for specific tuner sets on the web, since everyone (who is halfway careful) has the same "does it fit?" question. I'm sorry not to have that info, but you can easily find it. Now, how can I turn your question into a post about me...?
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How about you start a thread.

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[quote name='Revolution Six' timestamp='1529994738' post='1942540']
KLUSON Revolution, 19:1 ratio


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?
So is this a former G-Force head?
...that you retro-fitted the Klusons on?
.......and did you drill holes?
...........or open out any holes?
?

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Thanks guys. I've done my homework and have decided to get the Gibson Deluxe tuners. They are a direct fit. Having the tech from my guitar shop install them (for free) to keep the warrenty in tact.

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[quote name='merciful-evans' timestamp='1530112692' post='1942774']
?
So is this a former G-Force head?
...that you retro-fitted the Klusons on?
.......and did you drill holes?
...........or open out any holes?
?
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Only 12 aligned 1mm diameter holes.

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