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Roller Bridges... Show me what you are using...

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The bridge on LP's with a sculpted contour top, sit very high compared to flat top guitars like an SG or a Junior. I installed a roller bridge on my LP today to help my Duesenberg Les Trem II stay in tune, which was about 95%.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/TOvgQNK.jpg[/img]

I noticed my stock bridge saddles were moving when I dive my Duesenberg Hard, because of the LP's extreme string angle..
[img]https://i.imgur.com/iev79vN.jpg[/img]

The new T-O-M roller bridge is working quite well the Duesenberg is coming back to center better like 99%.. More like my Explorer's Les Trem II.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/wLuhJqh.jpg[/img]

I used this locking type of roller bridge on my X to have more intonation adjustment..
[img]https://i.imgur.com/yakrIUT.jpg[/img]

very satisfied with both of the bridges.. [thumbup]
[img]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/9b/75/ea/9b75eac69b596aacbacb1db47c2f6150.jpg[/img]

The standard Epiphone style Tune-o-Matic Roller Bridge is working great on my 56 LP..
[img]https://cdn3.volusion.com/fawfk.jnzpa/v/vspfiles/photos/080636CH-3.jpg[/img] Edited by mihcmac

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I have had the TOM roller bridge on my 56 LP Standard Pro for a few days now, I am much more confident about it staying in tune after doing extreme dives with the Les Trem II. I originally installed the Duesenberg on my LP DC and it worked pretty good but sometimes the strings would not equalize very well going over the 12 year old nut. So I moved the tremolo to my new LP Standard that has a very stable C profile fat neck and with roller bridge, its all coming together.. :) Edited by mihcmac

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Hello mihcmac,
I have a roller bridge with a B5 clone on a 1970's Japanese made Antoria SG copy which does a pretty good job with tuning stability (not that I do dive bombs)
[img]https://i.imgur.com/TjKqXm4.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/YTY58ke.jpg[/img]
I also have a Locking Tune-o-matic Guitar Bridge Roller Saddle on a Vintage VS6 also with a B5 clone which also works pretty well too.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/Iv7ppR2.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/wEicBoZ.jpg[/img]

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I put a Wilkinson Locking Roller Bridge on my Epiphone Riviera Custom P93 guitar. The Wilkinson bridge was initially a drop-in direct fit on the stock bridge posts, but I eventually had my guitar tech install the Wilkinson bridge posts, which were thicker, for added stability.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/BAREgQl.jpg[/img][img]https://i.imgur.com/1yNOn7L.jpg[/img]

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Pacific Reef and Little Jerry, very nicely done implementation of the roller bridges and tremolo's, your guitars are beautiful.. !

The locking Tune-o-matics are every solid and versatile. Mine helped me out of a corner when I wanted to install a L-handed tremolo on my R-handed Explorer..

[img]https://i.imgur.com/V7DbvdR.jpg[/img]

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Has anyone had experience with these.. I thought the Schaller was nice but kind of kind of expensive...
[img]https://img2.stewmac.com/product/images/1285/Schaller_Roller_Bridge.jpg[/img]
Till I saw the BABICZ...
[img]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0730/3803/products/d7e06b53-141e-55a2-b283-c555e0fcef08_1024x1024.jpg[/img] Edited by mihcmac

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Tonepros locking roller bridge on 2013 ES175 with Bigsby, stock:

[url=https://postimages.org/][img]https://s6.postimg.cc/6ynyorgv5/ES175_Bridge_Mute_Web.jpg[/img][/url]

[url=https://postimages.org/][img]https://s6.postimg.cc/dp4fy7bqp/ES175_Bridge_Web.jpg[/img][/url]

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jdpm, very good implementation of your Tonepros roller bridge and Bigsby..

I should have included what kind of "Tremolo's" on the Thread Title, since one of the main reasons for a Roller Bridge is to help equalize the Tremolo... So show us your Tremolo's, Bridge's and Mods to make everything work........ Edited by mihcmac

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This worked good for the $299 Wildkat I bought in 2010.
Didn't keep the guitar, but yes this part fit right on the Epi studs.
Couldn't have fit much better
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Roller-Bridge-Tune-o-Matic-for-Epiphone-guitars-w-m8-threaded-posts-Chrome/112680230386?hash=item1a3c43ddf2%3Ag%3AoMMAAOSwpkFY6-2-&_sacat=0&_nkw=roller+bridge&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR11.TRC1.A0.H0.Xroller+bridge.TRS0

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[quote name='212West' timestamp='1533860024' post='1949648']
This worked good for the $299 Wildkat I bought in 2010.
Didn't keep the guitar, but yes this part fit right on the Epi studs.
Couldn't have fit much better
[url="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Roller-Bridge-Tune-o-Matic-for-Epiphone-guitars-w-m8-threaded-posts-Chrome/112680230386?hash=item1a3c43ddf2%3Ag%3AoMMAAOSwpkFY6-2-&_sacat=0&_nkw=roller+bridge&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR11.TRC1.A0.H0.Xroller+bridge.TRS0"]https://www.ebay.com...ler+bridge.TRS0[/url]
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Looks like the exact same one I put on my LP except mines nickel finish.. Good fit for Epiphones...
[img]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/oMMAAOSwpkFY6-2-/s-l1600.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/YTMAAOSwc49Y6-2~/s-l1600.jpg[/img]


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I'm not a fan of roller bridges. In my experience they are prone to rattling and reducing tone and sustain. On two of my guitars I've put Tru-Arc rocking bar bridges and love them. They are also custom matched to the fretboard radius, so there's no variance in action between inner and outer strings. They come in standard and "SerpenTune" (compensated), and in a choice of four metals (aluminum, copper, stainless steel and brass) or glass, each with its own distinct tonal properties.
[img]http://d13z1xw8270sfc.cloudfront.net/origin/20065/tru_arc1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://gretschpages.com/media/img/fretboard/2016/9/TruArcSerpenTele_64.JPG.540x540_q85_autocrop.jpg[/img]

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[quote name='Parabar' timestamp='1533922703' post='1949759']
I'm not a fan of roller bridges. In my experience they are prone to rattling and reducing tone and sustain. On two of my guitars I've put Tru-Arc rocking bar bridges and love them. They are also custom matched to the fretboard radius, so there's no variance in action between inner and outer strings. They come in standard and "SerpenTune" (compensated), and in a choice of four metals (aluminum, copper, stainless steel and brass) or glass, each with its own distinct tonal properties.
[img]http://d13z1xw8270sfc.cloudfront.net/origin/20065/tru_arc1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://gretschpages.com/media/img/fretboard/2016/9/TruArcSerpenTele_64.JPG.540x540_q85_autocrop.jpg[/img]
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Thanks Parabar, I have seen these before but didn't know what they were. Would these normally be used on a floating or movable bridge like on a Broadway or Emperor?

What you said about them improving tone and sustain because of being made out of solid metal or glass, makes sense. That is one of the reasons why I like the Lightening Bar Wrap Around Bridge typically found on Juniors..

I have noticed a similar effect with my slides getting different tones using chrome, stainless, brass, aluminum, glass or even a Bic. But my favorite is getting the warm tones of a Mud Slide made out of ceramic.. Edited by mihcmac

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[quote name='mihcmac' timestamp='1533928716' post='1949767']
Thanks Parabar, I have seen these before but didn't know what they were. Would these normally be used on a floating or movable bridge like on a Broadway or Emperor?

What you said about them improving tone and sustain because of being made out of solid metal or glass, makes sense. That is one of the reasons why I like the Lightening Bar Wrap Around Bridge typically found on Juniors..

I have noticed a similar effect with my slides getting different tones using chrome, stainless, brass, aluminum, glass or even a Bic. But my favorite is getting the warm tones of a Mud Slide made out of ceramic..
[/quote]

The folks who make Tru-Arc bridges are very accommodating. They were first developed to replace the rocking bar bridges on Gretsch guitars, whose radii often didn't match the fretboard radii. Most of these do have floating (or pinned) bridges on a wooden base, but they also make them in a "Lo-Rise" version to work with guitars where the bridge is mounted directly to the top.

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[quote name='Parabar' timestamp='1534188037' post='1950107']
The folks who make Tru-Arc bridges are very accommodating. They were first developed to replace the rocking bar bridges on Gretsch guitars, whose radii often didn't match the fretboard radii. Most of these do have floating (or pinned) bridges on a wooden base, but they also make them in a "Lo-Rise" version to work with guitars where the bridge is mounted directly to the top.
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I wonder if Tru-Arc has a bridge with mounting hole spacing that could replace a wrap around lightening bar bridge if I added a tremolo, like on a junior or special?

Update... My Les Paul with the Duesenberg, after installing the roller bridge, required a little nut slot width tweaking on a couple of strings. Sting tension across the nut returns very well now. I really like the Les Trem II because its dive range is very close to a Strat style tremolo.


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I have the Schaller rollers on a few of my Peerless Epi's... a Sorrento VT, Casino VT and a Wildkat IIRC. They work pretty well, although I think the radius is larger than the guitar's... but not enough to bother me.

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This is my favourite bridge. Its a Schaller Combi roller.

The roller saddles are on a threaded spline so string spacing is fully (& independently) adjustable.

[img]http://img1.stewmac.com/product/images/39828/Schaller_Non-Tremolo_Roller_Bridge.jpg[/img]

I have a chrome one on my Ric 650.

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[quote name='jdogric12' timestamp='1536597334' post='1953292']
I have the Schaller rollers on a few of my Peerless Epi's... a Sorrento VT, Casino VT and a Wildkat IIRC. They work pretty well, although I think the radius is larger than the guitar's... but not enough to bother me.
[/quote][quote name='merciful-evans' timestamp='1536869990' post='1953769']
This is my favourite bridge. Its a Schaller Combi roller.

The roller saddles are on a threaded spline so string spacing is fully (& independently) adjustable.

[img]http://img1.stewmac.com/product/images/39828/Schaller_Non-Tremolo_Roller_Bridge.jpg[/img]

I have a chrome one on my Ric 650.
[/quote]
Schaller makes some really nice hardware..

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I had this in a parts box, but I wouldn’t have used it if I didn’t have it already. I’m not really sold on them.

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/W3xL1RHQ/20170831_083813.jpg[/img]

I also have one on my V but next string change it’s getting a tuna-matic.

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/4xTVCdqd/41_ED81_F8-_BAC9-4_A26-9_FD2-3_C715_D6_BEEA9.jpg[/img] Edited by AngelDeVille

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[quote name='AngelDeVille' timestamp='1538698777' post='1956730']
I had this in a parts box, but I wouldn't have used it if I didn't have it already. I'm not really sold on them.

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/W3xL1RHQ/20170831_083813.jpg[/img]

I also have one on my V but next string change it's getting a tuna-matic.

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/4xTVCdqd/41_ED81_F8-_BAC9-4_A26-9_FD2-3_C715_D6_BEEA9.jpg[/img]
[/quote]Interesting how you added a bracket on your "V" to accommodate the Bigsby. Nicely done...

Its looking like the most commonly used is the T-O-M roller bridge. Followed by the locking roller bridge that has the widest range of intonation adjustment, quite a bit more than other bridges, which is nice when the stock bridge placement is questionable.

I installed the T-O-M roller bridge on my LP because when using my tremolo the stock bridge moved quite a bit. My LP is responding very well, even when I really trash the tremolo. Finding now that I miss not having a tremolo on my other guitars. Kind of a conundrum because most of my other guitars bridge styles do not lend themselves to an easy addition of a tremolo. Edited by mihcmac

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Well, I had hoped to show pics of a new roller bridge on my Wildkat, but the one I ordered (a mid-price one thru Amazon) arrived this morning and it's absolute junk. It looks pretty enough, but it's so poorly constructed that it's unusable. The saddles are too small for the housing and pivot on the adjustment screws- literally rocking from side to side. The slot on the rollers is WAY too wide- even for the low E string. Worse yet, the rollers are held in the saddles by tiny shafts that 1) are too long and stick out from the sides of the saddles (preventing the saddles from sliding past each other when adjusting intonation) and 2) not held in by anything so they simply fall out and disappear into the carpet the instant you tip the guitar into playing position! Guess that's what I get for being cheap.

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[quote name='Yorgle' timestamp='1539809590' post='1958378']
Well, I had hoped to show pics of a new roller bridge on my Wildkat, but the one I ordered (a mid-price one thru Amazon) arrived this morning and it's absolute junk. It looks pretty enough, but it's so poorly constructed that it's unusable. The saddles are too small for the housing and pivot on the adjustment screws- literally rocking from side to side. The slot on the rollers is WAY too wide- even for the low E string. Worse yet, the rollers are held in the saddles by tiny shafts that 1) are too long and stick out from the sides of the saddles (preventing the saddles from sliding past each other when adjusting intonation) and 2) not held in by anything so they simply fall out and disappear into the carpet the instant you tip the guitar into playing position! Guess that's what I get for being cheap.
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sorry to hear your having bad luck with your new roller bridge. what type did you order?

I just ordered another one of these [url="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Roller-Bridge-Tune-o-Matic-for-Epiphone-guitars-w-m8-threaded-posts-Nickel/123011911534?hash=item1ca414cf6e:g:9YIAAOSwXY5ZVVvY:rk:1:pf:0"]T-O-M roller bridges from Philadelphia Luthier Tools on eBay[/url] for $14.95 + shipping, I have had good luck with them..

[img]https://www.emma-music.com/boutique_us/images_produits/b27_chrome_2_1_-z-c59-z.jpg[/img] Edited by mihcmac

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[quote name='Yorgle' timestamp='1539888387' post='1958474']
It was this one, sold on Amazon for archtops.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/OzGAoSw.jpg[/img]
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Doesn't your Wildkat use mounting posts? The one I linked should fit your WildKat with out mods.

[url="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Roller-Bridge-Tune-o-Matic-for-Epiphone-guitars-w-m8-threaded-posts-Nickel/123011911534?hash=item1ca414cf6e:g:9YIAAOSwXY5ZVVvY:rk:1:pf:0"]T-O-M roller bridges from Philadelphia Luthier Tools on eBay[/url]

Edited by mihcmac

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[quote name='mihcmac' timestamp='1539888732' post='1958476']
Doesn't your Wildkat use mounting posts? The one I linked should fit your WildKat with out mods.


[/quote]

It did, but I like to experiment and modify things. I removed the stock Wildkat inserts & posts and shaved the new bridge's rosewood base down to about half the height shown in the picture so the new bridge itself sits at the same height as the original. Because the wooden base is wider, the bridge now touches the top of the guitar over both the solid block and some of the hollow areas as well, giving it a slightly more acoustic sound.

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[quote name='Yorgle' timestamp='1539893509' post='1958477']
It did, but I like to experiment and modify things. I removed the stock Wildkat inserts & posts and shaved the new bridge's rosewood base down to about half the height shown in the picture so the new bridge itself sits at the same height as the original. Because the wooden base is wider, the bridge now touches the top of the guitar over both the solid block and some of the hollow areas as well, giving it a slightly more acoustic sound.
[/quote]
sorry didn't mean to jump the gun.. its a nice looking bridge and interesting experiment.. let us know how it comes out..

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