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Lars68 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I really, really, REALLY like the concept and look of those guitars. The understated appearance and the wood pickguards just look fantastic to me. I just wish they had given the models new and fresh names. Lars 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 I know its probably blasphemy around here but I really think Gibson should stop using Nitro full stop... Its nasty horrible stuff.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobouz Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Wow, those are very cool! How about a J-185 version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I really like the total concept and I absolutely LOVE the L-00............ Prices? Pip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbpicker Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 According to the CME website, the sustainable models are quite a bit more $$$ than the Studio series models. Yet the Studio models are full gloss lacquer. I know lacquer is not cool on the environment, but there is more labor involved in applying and polishing, isn’t there? Both lines are walnut and Sitka, so it’s not the wood cost. I don’t get the rationale... but.. Rb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 (edited) According to the CME website, the sustainable models are quite a bit more $$$ than the Studio series models. Yet the Studio models are full gloss lacquer. I know lacquer is not cool on the environment, but there is more labor involved in applying and polishing, isn’t there? Both lines are walnut and Sitka, so it’s not the wood cost. I don’t get the rationale... but.. Rb I definitely love both of these lines . If I could have my pick I’d get a Hummingbird Studio + L 00 sustainable. Glad gibson isn’t just doing another year with the same old guitars. It’s actually good to talk about something “new” at Gibson JC Edited September 6, 2018 by JuanCarlosVejar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorrisrownSal Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 (edited) JC. Glad your break is over.... welcome back And I dig on these... Edited September 6, 2018 by ThemisSal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) I’ll have the L-00! (I guess Bird lovers will have to drawn their own pics on the guard?) Like this one? https://www.normansrareguitars.com/product/gibson-h-bird-black-refin/ Sustainable? Not sure about Richlite - how many trees do they burn to make it? Etc. A friend and I were watching a sustainable house built on the TV and he said the most sustainable house is buying a used one.... same with guitars? So ditch the Richlite and give me some cherry or something.... BluesKing777. Edited September 7, 2018 by BluesKing777 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I’ll have the L-00! (I guess Bird lovers will have to drawn their own pics on the guard?) Like this one? https://www.normansr...rd-black-refin/ Sustainable? Not sure about Richlite - how many trees do they burn to make it? Etc. A friend and I were watching a sustainable house built on the TV and he said the most sustainable house is buying a used one.... same with guitars? So ditch the Richlite and give me some cherry or something.... BluesKing777. Like maybe a Pigeon.. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Right direction I would Imagine.. But I got what I like and No sense in paying more for less on the new ones as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly campbell Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 First I have seen of this but I like both lines as well...Glad they are offering some lines that are enviroment friendly. I really Like the birds..I have a HB standard but this gets me thinking about options ha...just what the wife would want to hear, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinder Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I love the concept here-I’m all for anything ecologically friendly. He lost me at “the beeswax can be reapplied as needed”, though. Under hot stagelights or during a sweaty band gig (or even in the back garden on a sunny day!) I can think of anything less tactile than a wax finished guitar. I also think it’s a bit fallacious to call a guitar a Hummingbird when it’s been divested of the Hummingbird itself, the split parallelogram inlays and so forth which (to my mind, YMMV) define it as a Hummingbird. However I believe that Gibson are on the right heading with this concept-sustainability is so important. These guitars just aren’t quite to my taste. I owned a Martin 00DB Tweedy for a bit which is built to a similar concept, 100% sustainable and FSC certified. That was a GREAT guitar and totally road ready...as these would be, with a different finish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliasphobias Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I know its probably blasphemy around here but I really think Gibson should stop using Nitro full stop... Its nasty horrible stuff.... I couldn't agree more! I'm not sure that the polys and varnishes, of today, are much better. While we're at it ban granite countertops. Have you seen what they are doing to the mountains of North and South Carolina (and countless other places) to get granite? If you think it's hard to grow a rosewood or mahogany tree, try re-growing a mountain! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FemmeParallell Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Not sure I want a guitar I have to maybe re-apply the finish too. Last I check bees wax was soft and can melt. Anyone live where its hot? Try 104F or more in summer! haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard McCoy Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 No nitro finish is a real dealbreaker for me. There's barely a company left on this planet who does nitro, which is so difficult to work with, as well as Gibson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 I can't believe you don't have fanboys at your house with torches and pitchforks. They are probably on the flight over here.. I will expect loud banging on my door any minute ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 I couldn't agree more! I'm not sure that the polys and varnishes, of today, are much better. While we're at it ban granite countertops. Have you seen what they are doing to the mountains of North and South Carolina (and countless other places) to get granite? If you think it's hard to grow a rosewood or mahogany tree, try re-growing a mountain! I would go for a nice wet sanded oil finish... You can get a really nice look with that technique.... Nitro though, such a finiky finish in the first place.. I understand people like the aging thing but that doesn't make it a good finish... I also understand that its a Gibson thing to have Nitro and traditional but I think its one they should break with now we know better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvi Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 nitro isnt a good finish ? may I politley say bull sh t? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I would go for a nice wet sanded oil finish... You can get a really nice look with that technique.... Nitro though, such a finiky finish in the first place.. I understand people like the aging thing but that doesn't make it a good finish... I also understand that its a Gibson thing to have Nitro and traditional but I think its one they should break with now we know better. What’s wrong with it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliasphobias Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 What’s wrong with it ? I think we are saying "good for the environment". The sustainability thing is about friendly things for the planet. As far as a finishing product; it is easy to touch up, relatively easy to apply, looks and polishes nice, provides some level of protection for the instrument and it's traditional. However, if you were to buy a can, remove the lid and set it on your bed stand for a month.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 8, 2018 Author Share Posted September 8, 2018 I think we are saying "good for the environment". The sustainability thing is about friendly things for the planet. As far as a finishing product; it is easy to touch up, relatively easy to apply, looks and polishes nice, provides some level of protection for the instrument and it's traditional. However, if you were to buy a can, remove the lid and set it on your bed stand for a month.... Yes that's part of it, the environmental thing.. But also its not particularly nice to work with, toxic as it comes.. And while it make look nice to us guitar nerds, it doesn't actually age particularly well and is not the most durable.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 I think we are saying "good for the environment". The sustainability thing is about friendly things for the planet. As far as a finishing product; it is easy to touch up, relatively easy to apply, looks and polishes nice, provides some level of protection for the instrument and it's traditional. However, if you were to buy a can, remove the lid and set it on your bed stand for a month.... Not only that... Nitro Burns very fast.. with bees wax about 5 seconds slower on Dry wood... :D they might as well hollow out a 2x4 and put a string on it. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegreatgumbino Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Anyone gotten their hands on one of these, yet? I’m intrigued. The studio models look very nice as well. I don’t find anywhere that mentions the depth of the body other than it being “slimmer”. I’d be curious to know how much thinner they really are. Can’t wait to start seeing more videos of them on YouTube. IMO, the Music Villa videos don’t showcase the sound very well. Watching Paul and Quinton’s back and forth is painful. It’s like watching two middle school aged kids who like each other have an awkward conversation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegreatgumbino Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) This musicians friend demo of the J45 sustainable is pretty good. It sounds nice. I’m digging the look of these a lot. Excited to hear more of the Hummingbird. Am I confused about the body depth on these, or are they the same as the standard models? The CME demos the OP linked to are nice as well. Edited November 12, 2018 by thegreatgumbino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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