BenderOfStrings Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) For the last few years I have loved the Tribute Les Pauls. Of all the Gibson Les Paul models, I thought the Tribute line was the "perfect storm" of quality, beauty, and affordability. However I have to say the 2019 model is disappointing to say the least. First I'll start with the good. I'm very pleased that Gibson has expanded the number of finishes from two to four which are Cherry, Iced Tea, Honey, and Tobacco (though I find it odd that Gibson's own website only shows Tobacco and Iced Tea as options, while the other two are available on every retailer's website). The finishes are very nice. So kudos to Gibson for offering more variety. Also, Gibson switched from the metallic top hat knobs to the standard gold knobs. I think this was the right choice as well, as I find they are more eye-pleasing. I'm also glad you stuck with the 490R/498T pickup combination. I'm a huge fan of that tone. Now for the bad. For starters, why, oh why, oh why Gibson did you switch from the traditional trapezoid inlay to that horrendous dot inlay??? Come on Gibson! I'm sorry but, if it says Gibson Les Paul, it should have trapezoid inlay! The dot inlay looks so wrong on this model! Save that for your LPJr's! But for a traditional Les Paul, it HAS to have the trapezoids! That is an immediate deal-breaker for me! Also, why did you go back to weight-relieving it?? My very favorite thing about going from the 2017 model to the 2018 model was that it wasn't weight-relieved. Again, WHY did you do this?? And finally, you removed the pickup covers, which ruins the whole aesthetic of the guitar IMO. Of course, covers can be added after the fact, so this isn't a huge deal. However the other things cannot be fixed. You INCREASED the price of this model and you DECREASED it's value IMO. This was a misstep that I hope you will consider rectifying for the 2020 models. Edited September 12, 2018 by BenderOfStrings 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelT Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I don't know that anyone from Gibson will or won't read this but I'm going to have to agree with a lot that you said. I absolutely love my 2017 Goldtop Tribute with P90's. It has the 9 hole weight relief but still comes in at about 9 pounds and has an amazing sound with and without an amp. Other Tributes I've played have been really nice as well. I always wanted the mother of pearl inlay for the Gibson logo but I was ok without that, the binding, the glossy finish and all that. I have that stuff on my Standard, Traditional and Classic but the Tribute was a great guitar for the money. Now I'm not so sure. I agree that I don't like the dot inlays. It's like they took the lower end faded series and combined it with the Tribute and increased the price? That's crazy. People are fussing about the new Standard as well with all the electronics. I'm not a fan of the new 2019 Flying V either. I'm guessing that they already had these planned a year or two ago and went with them but I disagree with a few of their choices. The tobacco sunburst Traditional is nice, at least. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FemmeParallell Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Dot inlays are a major turn off on these new models 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) Yeah im not so keen on the dots either.. I love my 60s Tribute which is actually chambered (about 7lbs or so) but is such a fun guitar to play because of that. Also don't like that they are doing the new ones with a maple neck.. I don't like the inconsistency of the colour and grain between body and neck. Edited September 12, 2018 by Rabs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenderOfStrings Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) Yeah im not so keen on the dots either.. I love my 60s Tribute which is actually chambered (about 7lbs or so) but is such a fun guitar to play because of that. Also don't like that they are doing the new ones with a maple neck.. I don't like the inconsistency of the colour and grain between body and neck. Yeah, good catch! I didn't even notice that change. Mark that in the "bad" category of changes as well. This is so disappointing. All I wanted out of the 2019 Tributes was last year's design/specs with more finish options. Then Gibson had to go and totally screw with it, making a worse product and charging more for it. SMDH. Edited September 13, 2018 by BenderOfStrings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmachine Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 For the last few years I have loved the Tribute Les Pauls. Of all the Gibson Les Paul models, I thought the Tribute line was the "perfect storm" of quality, beauty, and affordability. However I have to say the 2019 model is disappointing to say the least. First I'll start with the good. I'm very pleased that Gibson has expanded the number of finishes from two to four which are Cherry, Iced Tea, Honey, and Tobacco (though I find it odd that Gibson's own website only shows Tobacco and Iced Tea as options, while the other two are available on every retailer's website). The finishes are very nice. So kudos to Gibson for offering more variety. Also, Gibson switched from the metallic top hat knobs to the standard gold knobs. I think this was the right choice as well, as I find they are more eye-pleasing. I'm also glad you stuck with the 490R/498T pickup combination. I'm a huge fan of that tone. Now for the bad. For starters, why, oh why, oh why Gibson did you switch from the traditional trapezoid inlay to that horrendous dot inlay??? Come on Gibson! I'm sorry but, if it says Gibson Les Paul, it should have trapezoid inlay! The dot inlay looks so wrong on this model! Save that for your LPJr's! But for a traditional Les Paul, it HAS to have the trapezoids! That is an immediate deal-breaker for me! Also, why did you go back to weight-relieving it?? My very favorite thing about going from the 2017 model to the 2018 model was that it wasn't weight-relieved. Again, WHY did you do this?? And finally, you removed the pickup covers, which ruins the whole aesthetic of the guitar IMO. Of course, covers can be added after the fact, so this isn't a huge deal. However the other things cannot be fixed. You INCREASED the price of this model and you DECREASED it's value IMO. This was a misstep that I hope you will consider rectifying for the 2020 models. Sorry, but from what you say, the only problem Gibson has is having to try to please everyone who thinks what they want is what Gibson should do. Not most, but *everything* you mention both good and bad is a personal preference and you rate Gibson solely based on whether what they offer pleases you or not. I'd hardly call that a fair evaluation. Yes, Gibson has a problem, but it isn't what you think it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenderOfStrings Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 Sorry, but from what you say, the only problem Gibson has is having to try to please everyone who thinks what they want is what Gibson should do. Not most, but *everything* you mention both good and bad is a personal preference and you rate Gibson solely based on whether what they offer pleases you or not. I'd hardly call that a fair evaluation. Yes, Gibson has a problem, but it isn't what you think it is. Thanks for pointing out the obvious, Sherlock. Of course it's my opinion. Almost everything that gets posted on any forum is opinion-based. However you cannot possibly sit there and tell me that the design choices on this model are for the better. If you do, then you're just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. No fan of Gibson Les Pauls wants freaking dot inlay on their necks! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmachine Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Thanks for pointing out the obvious, Sherlock. Of course it's my opinion. Almost everything that gets posted on any forum is opinion-based. However you cannot possibly sit there and tell me that the design choices on this model are for the better. If you do, then you're just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. No fan of Gibson Les Pauls wants freaking dot inlay on their necks! You're making my point in spades. Not only are you narcissistic, you think you speak for everyone else with your inlay preferences. With the LPs, the dots are on budget versions because they are a budget feature. If you don't like them, no problem, pony up and get a more deluxe version, and stop whining. No, everything is not opinion based, like quality problems. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 As far as I know Gibson is still accepting applications for CEO. If you think you're qualified you should submit your resume since I don't think posting here will get you consideration. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenderOfStrings Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) Dot inlays are on 3K ES-335's. I'm not talking about ES guitars I'm talking about Les Pauls. The trapezoid is one of the trademarks of the Les Paul design. The only exception should be the block inlay on the Custom Deluxe. Edited September 13, 2018 by BenderOfStrings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenderOfStrings Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) You're making my point in spades. Not only are you narcissistic, you think you speak for everyone else with your inlay preferences. With the LPs, the dots are on budget versions because they are a budget feature. If you don't like them, no problem, pony up and get a more deluxe version, and stop whining. No, everything is not opinion based, like quality problems. LOL I sure hope you're not a Gibson representative. Because if Gibson thinks an 1,100.00 guitar is a "budget" guitar then they are more out of touch than I realized. NO guitar that costs north of a grand should be called a budget guitar...ever! Edited September 13, 2018 by BenderOfStrings 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I'm not talking about ES guitars I'm talking about Les Pauls. The trapezoid is one of the trademarks of the Les Paul design. The only exception should be the block inlay on the Custom Deluxe. Well there does seem to still be plenty of 2018s about so get one in case they decide never to go back... I didn't realise that the 2018s wernt weight relieved.. But as I said, I have a chambered one with p90s and I love that guitar... Im not really sure it makes much difference. This is my guitar. There are many like it but this one is mine. My guitar is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my guitar is useless. Without my guitar I am useless. I must play my guitar true. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenderOfStrings Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 Well there does seem to still be plenty of 2018s about so get one in case they decide never to go back... I didn't realise that the 2018s wernt weight relieved.. But as I said, I have a chambered one with p90s and I love that guitar... Im not really sure it makes much difference. This is my guitar. There are many like it but this one is mine. My guitar is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my guitar is useless. Without my guitar I am useless. I must play my guitar true. That's a sweet sweet ax Rabs! I very well may end up getting a 2018 gold top model. I was waiting to see if Gibson would offer more finishes for the 2019 model, and they did. I LOVE the iced tea burst finish and would've happily gotten that one. However removing the trapezoids and swiss cheesing it are deal-breakers for me, flat out. I'll probably wait another year, see what Gibson does for 2020, and then decide. If they stick with the current design for 2020 I will locate a 2018 model and buy that one instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) That's a sweet sweet ax Rabs! I very well may end up getting a 2018 gold top model. I was waiting to see if Gibson would offer more finishes for the 2019 model, and they did. I LOVE the iced tea burst finish and would've happily gotten that one. However removing the trapezoids and swiss cheesing it are deal-breakers for me, flat out. I'll probably wait another year, see what Gibson does for 2020, and then decide. If they stick with the current design for 2020 I will locate a 2018 model and buy that one instead. If you want a solid body one with traps I wouldn't wait unless you don't mind a second hand one.. Once people realise that the 2018s are better value compared to the 2019s they wont last long. Also when I bought mine 2011 I think, I liked most of the colours and didn't know which to go for, I think they had Iced T and Honey Burst, Cherry Burst, Dark Burst Ebony, White and a Goldtop.. So I just went and played like ten of them.. I didn't want a Goldtop at that point cos the idea of playing a gold guitar seemed a bit more fancy than my usual taste.. But it was the last one I played and the second I did I knew it had to be mine. I now obviously love Goldtops :) Edited September 13, 2018 by Rabs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmachine Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 ........and the second I did I knew it had to be mine. I now obviously love Goldtops :) Nice to see someone who puts a much higher priority on function than looks. Far as I'm concerned, I see waaaaay too much forum bandwidth taken up by cosmetics. "Pickguard on or off?", "Does it make me look fat?" ad nauseam. I can see: "This may not look like much, but man can it howl!" I can't see: "This plays like crap, but man does it look cool!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) Nice to see someone who puts a much higher priority on function than looks. Far as I'm concerned, I see waaaaay too much forum bandwidth taken up by cosmetics. "Pickguard on or off?", "Does it make me look fat?" ad nauseam. If you are saying that most of what we talk about on here is mostly pointless and nothing but subjective opinion.. Id agree :) But its just a bit of fun. Just don't ever mention nibs :D Edited September 13, 2018 by Rabs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenderOfStrings Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 Nice to see someone who puts a much higher priority on function than looks. Far as I'm concerned, I see waaaaay too much forum bandwidth taken up by cosmetics. "Pickguard on or off?", "Does it make me look fat?" ad nauseam. I can see: "This may not look like much, but man can it howl!" I can't see: "This plays like crap, but man does it look cool!" And what I see is, if you're going to spend that much money on something, it should both look AND sound appealing to you. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 "Does it make me look fat?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 "Does it make me look fat?" All my guitars make me look fat :( The search goes on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derald Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 I know the 2017 and 2018 Tributes have proper inlays and because they’re being discounted you can buy one cheaper. I think the dots look good on lower end models. I also like the maple neck as it adds some brightness and stability to the neck. I’m happy Gibson is making all kinds of guitars over the years so I can choose exactly what features I want without having to get a Custom Shop Made to Order model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 I too like the Trapezoids. Like my Gibson LP Std. Plus (9 1/2 lbs.) & my Gibson Memphis Blacktop ES Les Paul with Bigsby (6 1/2 lbs.) both are great Guitars. The weight relief doesn't bother me at all. I play the lighter ES LP more. My Gibson LP Jr Special P90's (8 lbs.) has Dots & on that Guitar they look right.. Gibson offers a lot of choices for LP's.. Seems like there should be one for everybody... Now if they would only make a 3 Pickup Traditional Sunburst Frirebird with Maestro & all Gold Hardware like the one Brian Jones played. I'd be happy to buy one & round out my Gibson Collection.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinch Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 What type of weight relief is used for the 2019s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelT Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 What type of weight relief is used for the 2019s? I'm pretty sure it's 9 hole, which is what my 2017 Tribute has in it. And, even at that, it's still 9 pounds. I agree that a "budget guitar" should be under $1000.00, even if a Gibson. I would think that since they're making the necks, fretboards and trapezoid fret markers anyway, it wouldn't be that much more of an expense. But, I guess if it sells or doesn't sell, they'll rethink things next year, or not. My Tribute is on the right and it plays every bit as well as the other three and sounds just as good. In fact, it's even louder and better sounding when not plugged into an amp than the other three. The things that made my Tribute what it was in 2017 was what made me buy it. The things on the 2019 Tribute are what would make me not buy it. Not that it matters much in the larger scheme of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 ...Just don't ever mention nibs... Did someone mention NIBS??????? Pip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelT Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Did someone mention NIBS??????? Pip. Nibs, U2, and trolls all in one thread. So, in my post above ^ pickguards on or off? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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