bigtim Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) I replied to your post but decided to start my own thread on this issue on your guitar going out of whack in your case. Man it has got to be something simple. I know that things do not just move on their own without it having some kind of cause. Those are some specific set up measurements too. Ok Is there any way that the inside of the case is somehow causing pressure on possibly the neck to body joint? I know I asked about how tight it fit before but I do not understand how the heck it could be happening in such a temp controlled climate. I just also read you have that Humida-Pak in your case. l WOULD take it out of there. I believe that it could be hendering the natural moisture the fretboard is taking in when you remove it from the case and when you place the guitar back in the case. That silica gel is sucking everything back out and may be causing the frets to go up and down ever so slightly inside of the case making it too dry in there possibly. I had an issue with my fret board always being too dry on my firebird. I kept the silica gel pack that came inside of the case when it was new as it came from sweetwater. I started to notice that the fretboard seemed to be so dry that it started turning pale after only a couple of weeks. I decided on a whim to take the silica gel out of there and see if it would make any difference. Well guess what, the guitar is more stable now, and the fretboard is not getting dried out anymore. Also I have had the firebird going on 2 years now. I have never placed a strap on it and I never really took notice of the strap buttons before. So the other day I got my old faithful strap back home and I decided to add some strap locks to it and was removing the stock strap buttons on the firebird. I removed them and noticed that the face or end of the stock strap buttons were very dull where they were resting inside of the case but on the inner part of the strap buttons where a guitar strap would rest was all nice and shiny still. My other gibson guitars with their original factory cases have a different color interior and the strap buttons on those guitars were just fine. The les paul I got last week is going on 6 years old and the little blueshawk I got previously is going on 21 years old and both of their hardware look normal. I believe it has something to do with the dye of that material that is lining the case that is causing some problems. It is not hindering the finish of the guitar itself but is doing it to the unfinshed metal. The strap buttons seem to be made of aluminum and the strings I use are not the coated type. The chrome bridge and tail piece are just fine though on the firebird. I kniw I am not crazy when I thought the strings sure were going dead and petering out way too soon. You may notice a difference keeping your guitar out in a stand for a while too. You know I got a few of Dan Erlewine's book on guitar set up and repairs that you can buy from Stewmac.com He has a youtube channel as well. If your not familiar with him go check his stuff out. He has a ton of videos. Anyways, in his books he said to adjust the string height with the guitar in your lap in the playing position because the natural down force of nature actually pulls everything toward the ground. He claims it is more stable setting a guitar up that way instead of placing your guitar on a flat surface while setting the string height and adjusting the action. I think it is a bit extreme but hey, give it a try you know. It may actually make a difference. He does work on a ton of legendary guitars and has made a name for himself by doing just that. Here is a pic of the strap buttons that have been on my firebird for less than 3 weeks. I bought a brand new set of gold dunlop strap locks a couple of weeks ago. As you can see the gold finish has already faded off of the face of the strap buttons on both rear and end of the guitar. Why is that? Brand new gold set or strap locks too. I know it is the case. Keep me posted WB Edited December 31, 2018 by bigtim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill 212 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I replied to your post but decided to start my own thread on this issue on your guitar going out of whack in your case. Man it has got to be something simple. I know that things do not just move on their own without it having some kind of cause. Those are some specific set up measurements too. Ok Is there any way that the inside of the case is somehow causing pressure on possibly the neck to body joint? I know I asked about how tight it fit before but I do not understand how the heck it could be happening in such a temp controlled climate. I just also read you have that Humida-Pak in your case. l WOULD take it out of there. I believe that it could be hendering the natural moisture the fretboard is taking in when you remove it from the case and when you place the guitar back in the case. That silica gel is sucking everything back out and may be causing the frets to go up and down ever so slightly inside of the case making it too dry in there possibly. I had an issue with my fret board always being too dry on my firebird. I kept the silica gel pack that came inside of the case when it was new as it came from sweetwater. I started to notice that the fretboard seemed to be so dry that it started turning pale after only a couple of weeks. I decided on a whim to take the silica gel out of there and see if it would make any difference. Well guess what, the guitar is more stable now, and the fretboard is not getting dried out anymore. Also I have had the firebird going on 2 years now. I have never placed a strap on it and I never really took notice of the strap buttons before. So the other day I got my old faithful strap back home and I decided to add some strap locks to it and was removing the stock strap buttons on the firebird. I removed them and noticed that the face or end of the stock strap buttons were very dull where they were resting inside of the case but on the inner part of the strap buttons where a guitar strap would rest was all nice and shiny still. My other gibson guitars with their original factory cases have a different color interior and the strap buttons on those guitars were just fine. The les paul I got last week is going on 6 years old and the little blueshawk I got previously is going on 21 years old and both of their hardware look normal. I believe it has something to do with the dye of that material that is lining the case that is causing some problems. It is not hindering the finish of the guitar itself but is doing it to the unfinshed metal. The strap buttons seem to be made of aluminum and the strings I use are not the coated type. The chrome bridge and tail piece are just fine though on the firebird. I kniw I am not crazy when I thought the strings sure were going dead and petering out way too soon. You may notice a difference keeping your guitar out in a stand for a while too. You know I got a few of Dan Erlewine's book on guitar set up and repairs that you can buy from Stewmac.com He has a youtube channel as well. If your not familiar with him go check his stuff out. He has a ton of videos. Anyways, in his books he said to adjust the string height with the guitar in your lap in the playing position because the natural down force of nature actually pulls everything toward the ground. He claims it is more stable setting a guitar up that way instead of placing your guitar on a flat surface while setting the string height and adjusting the action. I think it is a bit extreme but hey, give it a try you know. It may actually make a difference. He does work on a ton of legendary guitars and has made a name for himself by doing just that. Here is a pic of the strap buttons that have been on my firebird for less than 3 weeks. I bought a brand new set of gold dunlop strap locks a couple of weeks ago. As you can see the gold finish has already faded off of the face of the strap buttons on both rear and end of the guitar. Why is that? Brand new gold set or strap locks too. I know it is the case. Keep me posted WB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill 212 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Hello B.T. OK, I sure will keep you posted ! I have always gone to Erlewine's video's when I need to do something I do not know 'HOW TO' do, the Guy is a regular encyclopedia of Guitar knowledge. I had a 1994 NIGHTHAWK STANDARD 3 P-UP and I sent him an e-mail and asked Mr. Erlewine if he would do a Full Refret, Bass & TREBLE side NECK BINDING, New BONE NUT and some other things and he did not respond to me.....so I had the job done by the Luthier's at SWEETWATER and they did a GREAT JOB on it and made me able to sell it for pretty near Top-Dollar a few months back. That NIGHTHAWK was my #1 Road-Dog Axe for 12 years !!! SWEETWATER did it right !!! it took a few months but they got it right !!!! As far as the ES-335 goes, I am going to leave it out of its case and check the String Height at the 12TH Fret constantly, I have a feeling it is the case doin it !!! I don't like the interior material of the 'MEMPHIS' case. and I will remove the HUMIDI-PAK as well when I get around to it.......I did not notice if the Guitar is too tight in the case or loose and I'm gonna do the 'SHAKE TEST' after the next string change. I finally got the the SONG 'Ocotpus's Garden' down...and my Trusty ES-335 w/a FULLTONE 'OCD' and 'Blues-Driver' WC2 stacked, WOWO !, they sound soooo BAD-A$$, Bro, like NEW MONEY!!! I have to STACK the pedals because I can't CRANK the volume on my Marshall's past 3 or the frikkin Cops will show up !!! But I get the TONE on the intro LEAD with the Neck Pick-Up, it NAILS IT !!! IDK if Lennon was using the Epiphone 'Casino' on that one but it has that sound and my ES-335 nails it !!! I am going to get to the bottom of this, I am obssessed !!! it is really BTSOOM ! I'm bettin its the case as well ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtim Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) I saw a video on youtube of Dweezil Zappa's Sg that received a busted headstock on an airplane flight before his show. He sent it to Sweetwater and they did a video of how they repaired it and sent it back to him. I was impressed that they had such a large repair shop. I am sure that they hooked you up on your nighthawk. Man you must have wore the heck out of that neck to need all of that done to it!!! Ha ha.....Good old fashion wear and not fake new make believe relic wear. Here is the link to that video There is a pretty well known luthier here that does work. I am not going to mention names because he may be reading in here at the gibson forum but he really is the reason I started doing my own fret work. He wanted 400 bucks 14 years ago to replace the frets on my 1979 strat. I said no thanks and just bought some files and leveled them down myself and then a few months later got rid of it. That guitar is the reason I got away from 1970's era fenders and stick with the new stuff. I guess I owe him a big thank you for quoting such a price to me because it got me into an area of guitar tech I was intimidated by previously. So you been jamming on some Beatles huh? I bet those pedals sound pretty good stacked up too. Matter of fact I stack the Tech 21 RK5 fly rig overdrive with a MXR Prime distortion and it really sounds pretty sweet too. So tell me about your OCD Fulltone pedal if you don't mind. I have been needing a better OD pedal and was considering going back to a ProCo Rat or the Fulltone OCD but the problem is I do not know of anyone who has the OCD for me to give a test run with. How do you like it?? I have the Deja Vibe and I love it. I of course play Hear My Train and Bridge of Sighs with it.....Imagine that......LOL Yeah leave that guitar of yours out in the open for a while and see what happens. holler back Hello B.T. OK, I sure will keep you posted ! I have always gone to Erlewine's video's when I need to do something I do not know 'HOW TO' do, the Guy is a regular encyclopedia of Guitar knowledge. I had a 1994 NIGHTHAWK STANDARD 3 P-UP and I sent him an e-mail and asked Mr. Erlewine if he would do a Full Refret, Bass & TREBLE side NECK BINDING, New BONE NUT and some other things and he did not respond to me.....so I had the job done by the Luthier's at SWEETWATER and they did a GREAT JOB on it and made me able to sell it for pretty near Top-Dollar a few months back. That NIGHTHAWK was my #1 Road-Dog Axe for 12 years !!! SWEETWATER did it right !!! it took a few months but they got it right !!!!As far as the ES-335 goes, I am going to leave it out of its case and check the String Height at the 12TH Fret constantly, I have a feeling it is the case doin it !!! I don't like the interior material of the 'MEMPHIS' case. and I will remove the HUMIDI-PAK as well when I get around to it.......I did not notice if the Guitar is too tight in the case or loose and I'm gonna do the 'SHAKE TEST' after the next string change. I finally got the the SONG 'Ocotpus's Garden' down...and my Trusty ES-335 w/a FULLTONE 'OCD' and 'Blues-Driver' WC2 stacked, WOWO !, they sound soooo BAD-A$, Bro, like NEW MONEY!!! I have to STACK the pedals because I can't CRANK the volume on my Marshall's past 3 or the frikkin Cops will show up !!! But I get the TONE on the intro LEAD with the Neck Pick-Up, it NAILS IT !!! IDK if Lennon was using the Epiphone 'Casino' on that one but it has that sound and my ES-335 nails it !!! I am going to get to the bottom of this, I am obssessed !!! it is really BTSOOM ! I'm bettin its the case as well ! Edited January 1, 2019 by bigtim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
american cheez Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I have been needing a better OD pedal and was considering going back to a ProCo Rat or the Fulltone OCD but the problem is I do not know of anyone who has the OCD for me to give a test run with. shame you're not near delaware, i'd let you borrow mine. i like it alot IN CERTAIN AMPS. i find it seems to sound better to me in marshalls than in a mesa. i really like mine for most things, but although some may call me a philistine, my other go-to dirt box is a blues driver. i just like the ocd because it's so transparent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtim Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 Hey thanks for the input. I went and checked them out on YouTube and I think I am gassing for one. It seems to add plenty of gain while retaining the tone of the guitar itself. I like that. shame you're not near delaware, i'd let you borrow mine. i like it alot IN CERTAIN AMPS. i find it seems to sound better to me in marshalls than in a mesa. i really like mine for most things, but although some may call me a philistine, my other go-to dirt box is a blues driver. i just like the ocd because it's so transparent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill 212 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) Hey thanks for the input. I went and checked them out on YouTube and I think I am gassing for one. It seems to add plenty of gain while retaining the tone of the guitar itself. I like that. Yo B.T., I saw that advertisement with Dweezil Zappa's 'SG' and it is why I picked SWEETWATER to fix my NIGHTHAWK, and they NAILED IT despite the repair taking almost three months... as it turned out, it was worth the wait. The FULLTONE 'OCD' is BAD-A$, I hav to use it due to not being able to turn my Amps loud enough to get Over-Driven tones, It should do 'Bridge of Sighs' wellw/A good Delay...AAMOF I think that is what Trower is using these days. I stack the 'OCD' with the EHX Soul-Food (the S.F. asa BOOST), but the other thing I do is swap-out/change the 'OCD' w/the Blues Driver WC, Metal-Zone 2 or the best DIRT Pedal I have ever used the Freidman 'DIRT SHIRLEY', each one serves a specific purpose TONE WISE with the 'OCD' bein the most versatile.I run these thru a set of MARSHALL Combo Amps. A Stereo Chorus takes the signal out to a DSL 40C and also to a "REAL" MARSHALL: the MINI SILVER JUBILEE 2525C.....the only thing I do not like about the two Marshall's is they need the same REVERB to run thru the FX Loop. The Jubilee doesn't have a REVERB and the REVERB on the DSL is a DOG. I can get away with using a single DELAY after the DIRT Pedals and before the STEREO CHORUS but I find the separate Identical Reverbs thru the individual effects loop, with identical settings is best. The FULLTONE 'OCD' is $125 w/the 18Volt Adapter costing another $30, I finally got smart and invested in a VooDoo Labs Power Supply too. The FULLTONE 'OCD' is a GREAT Pedal and worth every Dollar....I have invested in a lot of Pedals in the last two years as I reverted to using Effects Pedals again after using a Digi-Tech Effects Processor, 'The LEGEND', (and FENDER Solid State Amps) for 25 years...I decided I wanted a change in my sound and sold my 3 1970's GIBSON's and 3 Solid State FENDER Amps & Effects Processor.......Buyin' a Harem of new GIBSON's, 2 MARSHALLCombo Tube's, a VOX Tube AMP and a slew of Pedals,.... AAMOF I just finished the entire over-haul, it took just under two years....and a few Dollars......I like playin' BEATLES tunes as they are a challenge to play by myself,u kno? The two guitar parts and me only havin' two hands presents a challenge I enjoy. I almost never recommend anything but, On my word, I think you will like the FULLTONE 'OCD' Pedal, itssa Work-Horse that covers a lot of ground.. Edited January 2, 2019 by Wild Bill 212 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill 212 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I saw a video on youtube of Dweezil Zappa's Sg that received a busted headstock on an airplane flight before his show. He sent it to Sweetwater and they did a video of how they repaired it and sent it back to him. I was impressed that they had such a large repair shop. I am sure that they hooked you up on your nighthawk. Man you must have wore the heck out of that neck to need all of that done to it!!! Ha ha.....Good old fashion wear and not fake new make believe relic wear. Here is the link to that video There is a pretty well known luthier here that does work. I am not going to mention names because he may be reading in here at the gibson forum but he really is the reason I started doing my own fret work. He wanted 400 bucks 14 years ago to replace the frets on my 1979 strat. I said no thanks and just bought some files and leveled them down myself and then a few months later got rid of it. That guitar is the reason I got away from 1970's era fenders and stick with the new stuff. I guess I owe him a big thank you for quoting such a price to me because it got me into an area of guitar tech I was intimidated by previously. So you been jamming on some Beatles huh? I bet those pedals sound pretty good stacked up too. Matter of fact I stack the Tech 21 RK5 fly rig overdrive with a MXR Prime distortion and it really sounds pretty sweet too. So tell me about your OCD Fulltone pedal if you don't mind. I have been needing a better OD pedal and was considering going back to a ProCo Rat or the Fulltone OCD but the problem is I do not know of anyone who has the OCD for me to give a test run with. How do you like it?? I have the Deja Vibe and I love it. I of course play Hear My Train and Bridge of Sighs with it.....Imagine that......LOL Yeah leave that guitar of yours out in the open for a while and see what happens. holler back LOL, U kno something...YOU ARE CORRECT....I PLAYED THE $#!T OUT OF THAT GUITAR !!! I really did, every day, 2-3 hours/day for 12 years........ The GIBSON 'MEMPHIS' Hard-Shell Case that came with the ES-335 has a different feeling ( and smelling, may sound WEIRD BUT.....) lining inside of it ! Kinda feels like that ol' POS Shag carpetting from the 1970's. IDK if your old enough to remember that stuff but it was hideous, and the lining of this particular case reminds me of it......but other than that its the same Light Brown Tolex Exterior like all my other GIBSON USA HSCase's....and so far, after just under 1 week, no change in string action/neck relief sitting in a stand.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtim Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 I am disappointed the OCD takes 18 volts. I am going to look around for something a bit different then. However I do like the Fulltone name brand. I only have 1 18 volt output and the deja vibe is using it. On another note, I purchased one of these power sullies and they work great. It has several 9 volt outputs 1 high mah 9 volt outputs a 12 volt and an 18 volt output. And they are cheap too and work very good. You may be interested in checking them out yourself. I have one of these on my pedal board. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Donner-Guitar-Effect-Pedal-Power-Supply-Brick-10-Isolated-9V-12V-18V-Output/292602449688?epid=21005876325&hash=item4420770f18:g:KHEAAOSwxUtbDss~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I am disappointed the OCD takes 18 volts. I use two OCDii and I use standard 1Spot 9 volts. They work just fine. In fact, he makes them so they will work with standard 9 volt 1Spots, the thing most players use. Sure, you can buy his fancy schmancy power supply, but even he laughs and says you don't have to. rct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtim Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 So your saying this ocd will work with a standard 9 volt power supply? I have a 500 mah one on my power supply too that is not in use. I use two OCDii and I use standard 1Spot 9 volts. They work just fine. In fact, he makes them so they will work with standard 9 volt 1Spots, the thing most players use. Sure, you can buy his fancy schmancy power supply, but even he laughs and says you don't have to. rct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Yes, that's what I'm saying. People all over are using OCD with 9 volt. rct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtim Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 Well that changes things. I will be sure and try to snag one before long. I been spending too much on guitars here lately. I need to calm down and get rind of a few more soon. Yes, that's what I'm saying. People all over are using OCD with 9 volt. rct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill 212 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I am disappointed the OCD takes 18 volts. I am going to look around for something a bit different then. However I do like the Fulltone name brand. I only have 1 18 volt output and the deja vibe is using it. On another note, I purchased one of these power sullies and they work great. It has several 9 volt outputs 1 high mah 9 volt outputs a 12 volt and an 18 volt output. And they are cheap too and work very good. You may be interested in checking them out yourself. I have one of these on my pedal board. https://www.ebay.com...HEAAOSwxUtbDss~ Yo Big Tim, I was going to buy that DONNER Power-Supply, but I read the reviews and the reviews seemed to point out that the OUTPUTS are really NOT ISOLATED....and they HUMMED w/Tube Amps.... I WAS using the FULL-TONE 'OCD' w/9 Volt Adapter when I first got it and it was OK, the 18Volt Adapter($30) was Sold-Out when I ordered it but I got the 18Volt Adapter about 3 weeks later AND IT MADE A NOTICEABLE/BIG DIFFERENCE, you will see that if you go for the 18Volt Power-Supply. Prior to getting the 'OCD' 18Volt Adapter: I was using 2 9Volt Daisy-Chains: ONE-SPOT(TRUE-SPOT?) 8 Plug Daisy-Chain & a DONNER 5 Plug Daisy-Chain and I was getting too much HUMMING. I'm running in STEREO, 2 Marshall Tube AMPS.Even with Noise Reducers running separately through the AMPS effects loops, the Daisy-Chains HUMMED way too much! So,1ST I went with separate 18Volt/9Volt Wall Warts, which wasn't bad but I couldn't hook up more than 4 Pedals at a time. So, I went with the VOO-Doo Labs ISO-5 Power-Supply and one 18Volt Wall Wart and BOTH PROBLEMS SOLVED. U C, I also have 2 18Volt Pedals, the FULLTONE 'OCD' and the FREIDMAN 'DIRTY SHIRLEY' and they can both run on 9Volt Power BUT, TRUST BRO, using the 18Volt Power Supply brings out THE BALLS on those two Pedals. I actualy HATED the 'DIRTY SHIRLEY' while I was running it w/9Volts, but then I watched a video about how to dial it in and the 1st thing the Guy said was "18Volt Power is a MUST...", also: keeping the Internal Dip Switch on 10, the Side Bass Xpander 'ON'('UP') and the Mid-Range @ no more than 10 O'Clock and VILOA ! its the BADDEST Pedal I ever owned.Same with the 'OCD', 18Volts brings it to another level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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