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I normally stay out the political discussions, but I was just forwarded an email with a video link. What do you think?

 

Here is what my email said:

 

This video clearly shows that George Bush tried to warn Congress starting in 2001, that this economic crisis was coming, if something was not done. But congress refused to listen, along with the arrogant, Congressman Barney Frank. This video says it all.The liberal media reportedly did not want this video on You Tube ; it was taken off. This link is of the same video but is routed through Canada . Everyone in America needs to see this before it is yanked off the airwaves again.

 

 

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At the time Bush owned the congress if he had wanted to enforce with a more stringent set of regulations he would have had it. As stated in the "news reel" it didn't even get to a vote. The Republicans would have had to be the stoppers. They were the majority. That unless the democrats were planning on a filibuster of which they said nothing. Barney Frank was just wrong. As it seems were most of the Republicans.

 

How about lets just start rewriting history again. When it doesn't suit what we wan to believe we'll just change it to suit our needs.

 

Politics made simple for the common folk:

LBJ = good reforms for equal rights of our ethnic populous, war monger, best known for the ignorance of an unnecessary war in Viet Nam.

 

Nixon = Criminal of the Water Gate Scandal, War monger, Illegally bombed Laos and Cambodia, escalated war in Viet Nam, had good relations with China, good domestic reform programs including the formation of the EPA

 

Ford = took the helm when Nixon stepped down, pardoned Nixon

 

Carter = economic crisis, Nobel Laureate (post presidency)

 

Reagan = bad economic theory, inflated the wealth among the already wealthy, union buster, credited with the down fall of the Soviet Union unjustifiably, aided the Contras of Central America with illegal money from Iran, good speaker

 

Bush = killed many Panamanians, aided the Contras of Central America with illegal money from Iran (while Vise President) , liberated Kuwait, abandoned Iraqi freedom fighters, NAFTA (executed during the Clinton Admin.)

 

Clinton = executed NAFTA via Bush Admin., economic polices elevated the country to its best economic status ever, sex scandal, good speaker

 

Bush Jr. = gained presidency via coup d'etat of Supreme Court, 911, war in Afghanistan, war in Iraq, threatened war with Iran and N. Korea, Killed more people then any president since Nixon/LBJ, economic policies led to melt down, violated the Geneva Conventions on treatment of war prisoners

 

Obama = first black president, signed into law sweeping economic recovery act, ......................

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Homz...](*' date=') I like you man but like every other one of you posts pisses me off. You really are pro union arent you? Are you a union worker?[/quote']

 

Do you not agree that Reagan was a Union buster? Ask the Air Traffic Controllers.

I am a member of the now dieing United Auto Workers Union and am a Journeyman skilled trades worker.

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Clinton = executed NAFTA via Bush Admin.' date=' economic polices elevated the country to its best economic status ever, sex scandal, good speaker

 

Bush Jr. = gained presidency via coup d'etat of Supreme Court, 911, war in Afghanistan, war in Iraq, threatened war with Iran and N. Korea, Killed more people then any president since Nixon/LBJ, economic policies led to melt down, violated the Geneva Conventions on treatment of war prisoners

 

Obama = first black president, signed into law sweeping economic recovery act, ......................

 

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Like this. why do you have to say bush violated the Geneva Convention? We dont know how many lives that information could have saved. Do the Iraqis give rights to our marines? No they behead them. As far as im concerned people who believe America is evil, and kill thousands of american lives dont have rights.

 

As far as the clinton thing goes ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

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No I agree' date=' and Im glad he was. I think the union hurts every business that is unionized. But hell if I could be unionized I would...[/quote']

 

If you believe that your already lost and I can only say I feel sorry for the America that your children will grow up in. It's in the very nature of business to exploit the working class and the unions are there to support and defend the worker. Your views are from a position of ignorance. Anyone who thinks an organized work force is bad for the working class is ignorant. I can understand some of the specific arguments brought forth about the inner workings of the unions themselves, but I will never concede that unions are a bad thing for workers or for any country. Please try to examine the issues better and stop watching TV news reports on the anti-union network.

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Clinton = executed NAFTA via Bush Admin.' date=' economic polices elevated the country to its best economic status ever, sex scandal, good speaker

 

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I agree and disagree with your take on the presidents. I really think LBJ was the one who messed up the system to begin - one of the worst presidents ever really.

 

It's the Clinton statement where you missed a great point - He down sized the government and specifically the Dept' of defense across the board (military, cia, fbi, nsa, dia etc...) and that allowed 911 to happen. Of course, that is part of what contributed to the economic status.

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Like this. why do you have to say bush violated the Geneva Convention? We dont know how many lives that information could have saved. Do the Iraqis give rights to our marines? No they behead them. As far as im concerned people who believe America is evil' date=' and kill thousands of american lives dont have rights.

 

As far as the clinton thing goes default_eusa_wall.gif ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

 

Well as Thoma Jefferson said it is the duty of every president to defend the people. And should these actions be deemed illegal then it is also the duty of the president to accept the responsibility and be duly judged.

 

Paraphrased

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This Obamanation is just beginning.

 

They are stealing money faster than computers can count it.

 

I'm dumping paper, including U.S. Gov. Bonds, and paying off land investments.

 

In 6 weeks I'll be all cash, gold/silver, guns/ammo, and land. (and a few guitars and tube amps and several hundred tubes)

 

Best of luck on your pension there, Homz.

 

Murph.

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This Obamanation is just beginning.

 

They are stealing money faster than computers can count it.

 

I'm dumping paper' date=' including U.S. Gov. Bonds, and paying off land investments.

 

In 6 weeks I'll be all cash, gold/silver, guns/ammo, and land. (and a few guitars and tube amps and several hundred tubes)

 

Best of luck on your pension there, Homz.

 

Murph.[/quote']

 

As you know and probably wish I will have no pension.

So as we grow older look for Homz in a parking lot tent near you. And BTW some of us liberals know how to shoot also. Those that are still in the have category need to be looking over their shoulders for the need category people.

 

Eat the Rich. (not Rich the person) To gristly.

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As you know and probably wish I will have no pension.

So as we grow older look for Homz in a parking lot tent near you. And BTW some of us liberals know how to shoot also. Those that are still in the have category need to be looking over their shoulders for the need category people.

 

Eat the Rich. (not Rich the person) To gristly.

 

You're wrong Homz. I meant.....

 

Good luck.....

 

For Americans to loose their investments because politicians are stealing them at the speed of light, is a scary thing. I've been a deer huntin', Robert Ringer readin', survivalist since the freakin' 80's. When the ice storm hit here last month, my family never missed a beat. The whole area was in a panic, and we had heat, fuel, food, cash, gas, ect., because we were prepared. We LIVE prepared.

 

But you'd better get ready.

 

This is just the beginning........

 

Murph.

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At the time Bush owned the congress if he had wanted to enforce with a more stringent set of regulations he would have had it. As stated in the "news reel" it didn't even get to a vote. The Republicans would have had to be the stoppers. They were the majority. That unless the democrats were planning on a filibuster of which they said nothing. Barney Frank was just wrong. As it seems were most of the Republicans.

 

How about lets just start rewriting history again. When it doesn't suit what we wan to believe we'll just change it to suit our needs.

 

Politics made simple for the common folk:

LBJ = good reforms for equal rights of our ethnic populous' date=' war monger, best known for the ignorance of an unnecessary war in Viet Nam.

 

Nixon = Criminal of the Water Gate Scandal, War monger, Illegally bombed Laos and Cambodia, escalated war in Viet Nam, had good relations with China, good domestic reform programs including the formation of the EPA

 

Ford = took the helm when Nixon stepped down, pardoned Nixon

 

Carter = economic crisis, Nobel Laureate (post presidency)

 

Reagan = bad economic theory, inflated the wealth among the already wealthy, union buster, credited with the down fall of the Soviet Union unjustifiably, aided the Contras of Central America with illegal money from Iran, good speaker

 

Bush = killed many Panamanians, aided the Contras of Central America with illegal money from Iran (while Vise President) , liberated Kuwait, abandoned Iraqi freedom fighters, NAFTA (executed during the Clinton Admin.)

 

Clinton = executed NAFTA via Bush Admin., economic polices elevated the country to its best economic status ever, sex scandal, good speaker

 

Bush Jr. = gained presidency via coup d'etat of Supreme Court, 911, war in Afghanistan, war in Iraq, threatened war with Iran and N. Korea, Killed more people then any president since Nixon/LBJ, economic policies led to melt down, violated the Geneva Conventions on treatment of war prisoners

 

Obama = first black president, signed into law sweeping economic recovery act, ......................

 

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I find it interesting, seriously, as one who has been privileged to meet and greet and sometimes talk at length with national-level politicians, that this forum's comments seem mostly to have come from a more "conservative" perspective.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm from cowboy country where a lotta folks wouldn't mind much if both coasts slid into the ocean until there weren't any more people than in 1880.

 

Out here when I first started playing for money in "professional" venues, I hadda join the Musicians Union. They kinda had a lock on the decent-paying jobs and yet - they were all older guys who'd treat the younger guys very poorly. Today the union is pretty well dead even though they could offer, at minimum, some of our area's play-for-money-to-eat guys some health insurance benefits.

 

The problem as I see a lot of what goes in at the national level of economic policy is that a lotta these folks have their mines made up that "equity" is more important that a decent economy. We'll see.

 

Another thing I notice is that although this recession is tied to the "great depression," unions and factory workers are frequently mentioned but not the "great dust bowl" that spawned a huge influx of musicians from the plains to the coasts, especially the left coast, and other cities. That factor is ignored.

 

Musicians are kinda odd ducks if they're the sort to make a living or even a "part living" from it. The politics I think tend to be conservative in some ways, often depending on where they live, because their living depends on being independent and handling their revenues conservatively. Ditto painters, and I know a few who've made a rather good living with a paintbrush, too.

 

In short, musicians tend to be "small business" people who constantly wonder what the government will do to, rather than for them. Hmmmmmm.

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While I have zero love for Bush, you need to place the blame where it belongs.

 

The Clinton administration is mostly responsible for the problems we are having now. He signed the NAFTA bill, and basically gave away the wealth of the nation. And, he had several chances to blow Bin Laden off the face of the earth, but was too much of a pansy to get the job done.

 

If there was ever a traitor in office, it was that clown. His sex life was more important to him than this country.

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How about lets just start rewriting history again.

We have 63 million people ready' date=' willing and able to help you do just that.

 

How many of those voters are old enough to even remember what a piece of sh!t Clinton was and the damage he did to this nation? They are in no position to make the judgement that Obummer is the way to go.

The [b']Bush Derangement Syndrome[/b] created by the media in this nation led to the Anybody But Bush Syndrome at the polls, so what we have now is unprecedented in history and looking at the Defeatocrat party should give everybody the chills.

 

 

 

When it doesn't suit what we wan to believe we'll just change it to suit our needs.

Change indeed. That's what he campaigned on.

We'll be digging change out of our cushions to buy food at this rate...

 

Then we got crisis.

Now catastrophe.

What caused it? Exactly what they're doing to fix it.

Bravo.

 

 

 

Politics made simple for the common folk:

You and I will get much better acquainted' date=' I'm sure....

:-)

 

 

 

LBJ Nixon Ford Carter Reagan Bush Clinton Bush Jr.

Gotta quit reading all that Union propaganda that clutters your mailbox.

If that's your central focus for your values, then please bear in mind that Socialism isn't very valuable to most Americans.

 

Obama = first black president' date=' signed into law sweeping economic recovery act, ................... [/quote']

You want MY assessment of Obummer?

Can you handle the TRUTH?

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They all preach change nowadays... but that's just talk (and bullsh-t talk), not many people cares anymore, they will vote for whoever the mags, talk shows, and media in general tell them to (they made obamma a celebrity didnt they?); now a politician's priority is to be at least as famous as the jonas brothers before even thinking about running for anything. It's happening all around the world, happened down here, then it happened over there... if Terminator 3 had been at least acceptable Arnold would have been president... but at least you would be getting f-cked by an unstoppable cyborg from the future (not much you could do about it anyway:-" ) and not by a pseudo commie a-hole that only wants to get reach fast at the nation's expense.

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