bigtim Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 OK so I was following the other thread as I was curious on if that les paul was a 68 custom reissue that had an ABR 1 bridge. Some of you was wondering about his neck tenon. So it got the best of me and I was wondering about mine. Here are a couple of pics. Also I noticed that I had hardly any slack from the wires from the pick up and it was kind of hard to manipulate it out of the route to get a look inside of there. However I noticed the way the wires were all soldered together inside of it and I have never noticed that before. You can see where the pick up wires are all wrapped up and then soldered together. I do not know if gibson always does this or not. Anyways, I still am not sure about what exact model other than it is some kind of exclusive run for Guitar Center from 2008. Whatever it is it sure is a nice guitar. Here is the pictures of my neck tenon. And as soem of you already know, mine has the BB1 and BB2 pick ups, ABR 1 bridge set up with the studs going directly into the wood on the body and also the tail piece studs go directly into the wood as well. Mine also has the top hat or witch hat knobs with the silver inserts and gibson deluxe tuning keys. It feels as though the body has been weight relieved of some sort too as it is lighter than my traditional 2013 les paul. Anyways just curious at what some of you might have to say. There is no writing or abbreviations written inside of the cavities either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I'm curious as to what others have to say too. The wires be soldered together like that is uncommon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 The wires soldered together does look odd. I think the neck tenon is long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 ...I still am not sure about what exact model other than it is some kind of exclusive run for Guitar Center from 2008...Here is the pictures of my neck tenon.....mine has the BB1 and BB2 pick ups, ABR 1 bridge set up with the studs going directly into the wood on the body and also the tail piece studs go directly into the wood as well. Mine also has the top hat or witch hat knobs with the silver inserts and gibson deluxe tuning keys....It feels as though the body has been weight relieved of some sort too as it is lighter than my traditional 2013 les paul... Best guess from here FWIW? The long neck tenon is usually the sign of a reissue. I do know of the existence of at least one short-tenon reissue but that's another story... ABR-1 is, as you have read, normally used on reissues but there have been a great many non-reissue instruments made with them over the years. Your knobs are commonly known as 'reflector' knobs. 'Witch Hat' knobs are somewhat smaller in diameter and have a pronounced vertically knurled side to the area upwards of the numbered skirt. The Kluson tuners are widely used on various models and are not really an accurate indicator of much in particular. Reissues are normally solid-bodied. There have been some small runs of chambered instruments but it's certainly not the norm. RI Customs usually use heavier blanks that R9's, R0's etc. which should have made it heavier. It seems to be that GC has sent a list of features they required and the guitars were made to that specific specification. Close to - but not identical to a reissue. Whether it is or whether it is not a reissue shouldn't be an issue. I know the guitar in the other thread is still a bit of a mystery but if Gibson won't confirm that yours is a reissue then it is a limited edition Custom. And it is none the worse for being so. Yo have already stated that you didn't pay reissue money for it therefore you will certainly not lose out financially if you ever choose to pass her along the line. And I may bags first refusal?............ Again; heartiest congrats and enjoy her to the full! Absolutely beautiful!!! Pip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 . Yo have already stated that you didn't pay reissue money for it therefore you will certainly not lose out financially if you ever choose to pass her along the line. Pip. Hell, he didn't even pay Les Paul Custom money for it! Tim's got himself a deal that most of us can only dream about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtim Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 Oh yes, I am totally satisfied with my new custom. And yes I know I got it for a very good price as well. It does not really matter to me if it is a reissue and I knew it was different from the start just by the color. I have searched and searched online trying to find another one this color from the same year. And only because of the other member trying to figure out if his was a 68 reissue, I knew mine was not not from the beginning but I thought it was interesting that mine did have some of the same features as his does and that is why I went ahead and took out the pick up to see. I never even knew about the neck tenon thing being a correct historic feature before so I learned something as well. Any input on how the wires are all soldered up? I have never noticed that before either. As far as letting her go.......it would have to be pried from my cold dead hands!!! No kidding. I am however going to call the original owner I purchased it from to see if he happens to still have the receipt and if it says an exact model number. And if he does not have it, it still is a very beautiful and great playing guitar. The pick ups sound awesome and way better than the ones in the traditonal pro 2 2013 model I have. Either way or whatever it really is on model specifics, it is not a common one at all. And I have always like "Unique" guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtim Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 I just got off of the phone with the original owner who bought it new in 2008. He said he thinks it was about 3600.00 before tax new but will have to dig through his stuff to find out for sure. So if that is the case it may just be a regular custom but with unique features. If he finds the receipt I will let everyone know. Also he said when he lived in Chicago that he had a friend who worked at guitar center there that would tell him when something special would come through. So he said that his friend did give him a call when this one popped up there and was convinced that it was different enough for him to invest in. On another note, he did tell me he had sellers remorse for a few days after I left with it. I imagine he did......I sure would have!! Like I have stated in another thread he is a collector and knows how to read music and all the technical stuff behind theory and all, but he does not really know how to let go and jam if you will. So the day I went to his house and was playing the guitar for the first time, The first thing I played after I made sure it was in tune was Just got paid by ZZ Top on it and then just started farting around jamming on it and feeling it out. When I was on the phone with him this morning he told me that I inspired him by my playing and he is now learning La Grange by ZZ Top!! I found his statement very humbling actually that he thought enough about it to try harder on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 When I was on the phone with him this morning he told me that I inspired him by my playing and he is now learning La Grange by ZZ Top!! I found his statement very humbling actually that he thought enough about it to try harder on his own. so you both win! you get a cool axe He gets a shot of motivation out of the transaction (well... plus your money! LOL!) I think you done good Tim.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtim Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 Yes You are right and I am glad I did make him play harder!! When I was on the phone with him this morning he told me that I inspired him by my playing and he is now learning La Grange by ZZ Top!! I found his statement very humbling actually that he thought enough about it to try harder on his own. so you both win! you get a cool axe He gets a shot of motivation out of the transaction (well... plus your money! LOL!) I think you done good Tim.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Yes You are right and I am glad I did make him play harder!! I need to jam with you, I have been in a huge rut... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdgm Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 .....I have been in a huge rut... Ooh! Beaut guitar BTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I have some observations about Custom Shop designations and SN's. In the last 18 months or so I have ordered three different Custom Shop M2M LP's. Two of those orders resulted in actual guitars being produced. One of the guitars that actually was produced (or at least delivered to me) was a '57 LP Custom, Black Beauty, 3pu w/Bigsby. It has a '60 neck. That is the only variance from the standard '57 spec. However, it is (IMO), a substantial structural difference from a '57. It is actually more like a '60 Custom. Yet they serialized it as a '57. My COA says "1957 LP Custom". SN is 7 8750. The second one is my R7. That guitar is a R7 with a '60 neck. Despite that significant structural change, it is serialized as a R7. The COA for that guitar says "2018 Historic Les Paul". SN is 7 8661. So when it comes to one-offs/M2M's or other limited runs who knows?? Both of these guitars entered production with '57 part numbers with the specific changes requested. So it seems like you can order a Custom Shop Historic with significant changes and they will still serialize it as the base model. So if you have a guitar with a historic SN format, even though there may be differences from the base model, that base model may be what you really have, sort of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFord Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Have you tried contacting someone at GC Corporate? You might be able to get someone to poke around and send you the ad for the 2008 GC Exclusive run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtim Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 No I have not thought of that exact thing to do. However I did call the original store it was purchased from today and was told they only keep records in house going back for 6 months. So I may try to see if I can do what you suggested. Thanks Have you tried contacting someone at GC Corporate?You might be able to get someone to poke around and send you the ad for the 2008 GC Exclusive run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I have some observations about Custom Shop designations and SN's. In the last 18 months or so I have ordered three different Custom Shop M2M LP's. Two of those orders resulted in actual guitars being produced. One of the guitars that actually was produced (or at least delivered to me) was a '57 LP Custom, Black Beauty, 3pu w/Bigsby. It has a '60 neck. That is the only variance from the standard '57 spec. However, it is (IMO), a substantial structural difference from a '57. It is actually more like a '60 Custom. Yet they serialized it as a '57. My COA says "1957 LP Custom". SN is 7 8750. The second one is my R7. That guitar is a R7 with a '60 neck. Despite that significant structural change, it is serialized as a R7. The COA for that guitar says "2018 Historic Les Paul". SN is 7 8661. So when it comes to one-offs/M2M's or other limited runs who knows?? Both of these guitars entered production with '57 part numbers with the specific changes requested. So it seems like you can order a Custom Shop Historic with significant changes and they will still serialize it as the base model. So if you have a guitar with a historic SN format, even though there may be differences from the base model, that base model may be what you really have, sort of. I don't know what you do for a living, but I need to be in the same line of work. I wish I could order up a Lester like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 I don't know what you do for a living, but I need to be in the same line of work. I wish I could order up a Lester like that. I'm definitely fortunate and have a lot to be thankful for. But that hasn't always been the case, so I do really appreciate having these fine instruments. They really are spectacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 I do feel you, I had to pay my dues to have what I have. God bless ya Doggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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