Steveyp Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Hey everyone (especially 'have nots') I just checked Gear4Music's website and it now states DF delivery dates as July 2009, I have not spoken to them yet but they have been on the ball in the past, always being the first dealer inthe UK to publish delays to delivery dates. I hope for the sake of all 'have not's' it is wrong but worth checking with your dealers. After cancelling in January I was about to re-order having not been able to get DF off my mind and being addicted to this forum but if that delivery date is accurate I will have to hold off. I'll try and call them today to confrim. UPDATE Just spoke to Gear4music and the sales rep told me that their estimate 0f 16 July 2009 is not confrimed by Gibson but they have always been accurate in the past. He also told me that a shipment of DF's that arrived in the UK recently were recalled immediately to Gibson. So bottom line is this may be bad information but IMO I doubt very much that any DF's will be in the UK before easter at the earliest. Sorry all for being the bearer of bad news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spindrift Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 It makes me SICK!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyRdam Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 It makes me ILL!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockin365 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 oh well at least they may get here for next xmas!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtypurple Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 If thats the case, another 6 months after that and we'll probably have DF version 2.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zed91 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 If thats the case' date=' another 6 months after that and we'll probably have DF version 2....[/quote'] LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockin365 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 If thats the case' date=' another 6 months after that and we'll probably have DF version 2....[/quote'] Yeah but we wont see that here in the uk until DF v3 comes out ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCK Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Hear hear now. There is a reason this thing is called "Limited Edition" don't you think? If every Joe & Jill could get their hands on one then where would it end? This is classic survival of the fittest don't you see? Outwit, outplay & outlast. So have heart guys & gals. He/she who waits will get the goodies. Or you can simply give up on Gibson Europe and buy direct from US. I am sure some dealers still has some stock out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCK Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Just ran a search on a musical instrument search site here in Japan. http://www.digimart.net/pub_gk_list.do;jsessionid=5ED45BD36BB2EE32AA9D5F30D8FD6175.rm1?subSearchEnter=true&keywordAnd=dark+fire&x=0&y=0 Can't read and understand but I think there are few out there being sold by actual owners and then some shops are taking order. I deduce this from the stock advertising shots vs two that are received unit shots with the protective brown paper etc. Check it out. One of them has rather nice flames as well. I think they are selling at around JPY 330000 which should be about US$3400 or so. Add about US$200 for shipping you should still end up cheaper than the European price. If anyone wants me to look into this I can give these guys a call tomorrow. Let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
har Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 You're right MCK, thank you for your investigation. But if you ad ca. 4% customs and 19% tax and $200 for the first RMA, you have a total of $4650, no chance of returning the guitar, if it looks like Brookfloyd's with a white case that isn't white....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwanadik Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 If we are not going to see the Dark Fire in the UK until July, hopefully Gibson will have sorted out all the bugs highlighted by elantric in his Dark Fire Bug List by then. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zed91 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I hope that Gibson will hire Elantric before I receive my guitar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elantric Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I hope that Gibson will hire Elantric before I receive my guitar Then I'd have to join Mike in staying off the board, and be forced to tell you only what you want to hear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panrixx Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 I'm just wondering whether the delay is more to do with the lawers of Gibson and Tronical fighting over who bears the costs of the recalls and modifications, rather than just the hardware/software fixes themselves! Afterall, how long does it take to rework the software and get replacement parts produced? If May/June/July is the anticipated date for Europe, that is around 6 months from the original launch date. Should it take that long for hardware/software updates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elantric Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I understand there is currently a minor hardware issue with the RIP, and the fix is being installed before the next shipment batch. Current owners of RIP will be supplied instructions on the best path to render a fix. - This solves the bug due to the RIP's periodic "battery recharge" cycle that always creates short duration audio drop outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulhuru Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Should it take that long for hardware/software updates? Hard to tell for sure with DF, but I had to whipp a team of 14 hardware/software engineers for some years. And they tend to: a) not to be impressed at all by delays and products in stand-by (I mean, we told ya!) not to be impressed at all either by the whipping thing c) think in development cycles So, while they can adress small emergencies (one day or two of work for one guy), they love fitting bugs/updates/improvements in one large lists adressed in one development cycle of some month, where they can break and rebuild everything. Deadlines tend to be international trade shows, every 6 month or so. Then everything that falls in between, along with requests, ideas & suggestions made by the marketing dudes is considered major nuisance. So, if DF and/or 15th of December was an idea from the marketing dpt., no luck! Oh, and they love deadlines and the they like the wooshing sound they make as they fly by! (as first expressed by Douglas Adams) ... They love Douglas Adams too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulhuru Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Should it take that long for hardware/software updates? Hard to tell for sure with DF, but I had to whipp a team of 14 hardware/software for some years. And they tend to: a) not to be impressed at all by delays and products in stand-by (I mean, we told ya!) not to be impressed at all either by the whipping thing c) think in development cycles So, while they can adress small emergencies (one day or two of work for one guy), they love fitting bugs/updates/improvements in one large lists adressed in one development cycle of some month, where they can break and rebuild everything. Deadlines tend to be international trade shows, every 6 month or so. Then everything that falls in between, along with requests, ideas & suggestions made by the marketing dudes was considered major nuisance. Oh, and they love deadlines and the they like wooshing sound they make as they fly by! (as first expressed by Douglas Adams) ... They love Douglas Adams too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCK Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Great post. Just get them more coffee and pizzas. They always come thru at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulhuru Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Yeah, flat food to slide underneath the door, so they don't bite you :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCK Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Oh you should de-claw & de-teeth yours. Try it. Works like a charm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulhuru Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 No, no, no, I like them wild it's fun :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCK Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 You are a brave man. We should compare notes some day. Take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulhuru Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Yes we should. I should also try to turn them into a book, or musical, some day! But then, a musical without love and romance isn't that appealing for people with a life. (And of course, not too much love and romance in a Dev Team) :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtypurple Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I understand there is currently a minor hardware issue with the RIP' date=' and the fix is being installed before the next shipment batch. Current owners of RIP will be supplied instructions on the best path to render a fix. - This solves the bug due to the RIP's periodic "battery recharge" cycle that always creates short duration audio drop outs. [/quote'] Thanks Elantric for the update. That's good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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