Basshole Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Is there an example of this LaLa land you speak of? I'm curious? Murph. OMG this is what a socialist government is murph. That is the broad example of it. BASEHOLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Allen Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 The thing that pisses me off' date=' is that gay people in California, already have all of the rights that anybody else has. They get all of the benefits of marriage, just not the certificate. In fact, they have the same right to get married to anyone of the opposite sex that an heterosexual has. But that's not enough for the activists, they want to use the courts to overturn the will of the people, the legislature and the constitution to achieve their purpose. If courts can decide all of our "rights" then what is to keep the next court from deciding a different set of rights?[/quote'] It's all an attack on Conservative values. It's only getting worse. I spoke with a preacher the other day that told me that there was a provision in the OMNIBUS PORK PACKAGE that stated any college or university that uses "stimulus" money to build a building can NOT use it for any Christian activity. There is supposedly no mention of any other religion not having the right to use it. I haven't had the opportunity to search to see if this is true. But I wouldn't doubt it. Anyway they can degrade "normal" they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Allen Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Bring 'em on. In my administration' date=' there would be a few things done differently. First, my security would finish any confrontation with brutal finality, no need for handcuffs. If they survived, we would be able to finally give those ***-holes what they need - the death penalty. Just like where I grew up by Dodge City, a fair trial followed by a first class hanging, all on the same day. Look at the economic boost, the trickle down effect to the funeral homes, coffin makers, flower shops. :-)[/quote'] NeoConMan, I think we must be identical twins separated at birth. You are a Pakastani, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Hah! Nope. Dad's family came into Maine in the late 1700's and my Mom's came into Georgia around the same time. Both from England. Aside from some Cherokee Injun, I'm Honky White as it gets with the possible exception of the Swedes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Allen Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Hah! Nope. Dad's family came into Maine in the late 1700's and my Mom's came into Georgia around the same time. Both from England. I'm Honky White as it gets' date=' with the possible exception of the Swedes.[/quote'] Me too. Actually, I'm German Irish, with a hint of Cherokee thrown in for taste. I guess that makes me a mutt. James Heinz 57 Allen! That explains why everytime I drink whiskey I want to invade a foreign country and do rain dances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Robot Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Hey Californiaman - thanks for creating really interesting topics. I am not a socialist per se, but there are elements of a just and humane society that many with vested interests label as 'socialism' because they fear it threatens their positions of wealth, privlege and power. Civilised countries are ones that have a balance of incentive, opportunity,entrepreneurship and welfare. I dont find putting someone in a box - socialist or conservative very helpful because many people have values and ideas that cross both. Unfortunately my observation of american politics is that you are labelled one or the other. The current financial crisis requires us to implement what we think will minimise hurt and distress in our communities and not be dictated by political ideology. That includes thinking outside the box and implementing things we might not otherwise consider. During World War 11, some people opposed the government assuming state control of private assests to ensure the war effort was maximised, labelling it at socialist. These opponents were often wealthy families with signficant assets. They looked like total idiots by the end of the war and could have put the war effort at risk. Even George W has implemented responses to the global financial crisis that would have been labelled as 'socialist' at another time. Yet even George W could see it was necessary. So I recommend we remove our political prejudices at a time like this and work together to get through it. There is another pragmatic issue here of course that political idealogues forget. If you want to discourage people from becoming socialist, the best way you can do that is to demonstrate that a capitalist economy does care and does look after its citizens in times like this, particularly in this case then it was not through any fault of working americans. Instead, if you let 'the market' dictate their personal welfare, that is one sure-fire way to turn them into committed socialists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Allen Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Hey Californiaman - thanks for creating really interesting topics. Even George W has implemented responses to the global financial crisis that would have been labelled as 'socialist' at another time. Yet even George W could see it was necessary. . I agree with you Mr Robot about Californiaman's interesting topics of late. However, Ol' George W's bill didn't help. The stock market tanked. Obama's hasn't helped. The stock market tanked even more. Already, the two biggest spending bills in the history of mankind has only hurt us worse. So far, socialism hasn't worked. I do appreciate your thougts on the subject though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MReynolds Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 The thing that pisses me off' date=' is that gay people in California, already have all of the rights that anybody else has. They get all of the benefits of marriage, just not the certificate. In fact, they have the same right to get married to anyone of the opposite sex that an heterosexual has. But that's not enough for the activists, they want to use the courts to overturn the will of the people, the legislature and the constitution to achieve their purpose. If courts can decide all of our "rights" then what is to keep the next court from deciding a different set of rights?[/quote'] Yeah it's unbelievable. It's basically turning the country into a monarchy of sorts...where the minority rules. Then some want a democracy...where the mob rules. There was a reason our founding fathers chose a republican form of government...and the courts are trying to "fix" that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californiaman Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 There comes a time in the life of a nation where its people must decide what they must do to ensure the survival of that nation. Ours is, like no other time in it's great history, at a confluence of ideologies and traditions. So profound and penetrating are the crisis we face that we must truly look beneath what is superficial and trite. We must, with reason and through rational debate, weigh carefully the difficult choices we must make. For to unwisely decide puts our great nation and it's future in grave peril. Therefore, I will resolve to continue to post such topics that will stimulate and arouse our national conscience. To this very end result, a better society our goal, our bright and shining future, for each and every one of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MReynolds Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 "I sincerely believe... that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale." --Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816. ME 15:23 "A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicity." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homz Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 The entire last page of this thread is what happens when I sleep. It's like a conservative 'circle jerk'. "Not in a gay way, though". If you all get tired of patting each other on the back there are fences to mend in the back forty. WWRD? (What Would Reagan Do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Robot Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 The entire last page of this thread is what happens when I sleep. It's like a conservative 'circle jerk'. "Not in a gay way' date=' though". If you all get tired of patting each other on the back there are fences to mend in the back forty. WWRD? (What Would Reagan Do). [/quote'] Clearly you didn't read every entry Homz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homz Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Clearly you didn't read every entry Homz My mistake, all but one or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californiaman Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 That's it Homz? Wow, I thought you would have burst an artery in your head when you read these last few pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homz Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 I thought it was amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundergod Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 "Communism does not work because people like to own stuff..." - Frank Zappa He was a brilliant man you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundergod Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Disclaimer: I couldn't care less about both... my country was overrun by commies 3 years ago... they are doing worst than the capitalist bastards that came before... BUT that's not because they are commies or because they were capitalists... THATS BECAUSE BOTH ARE SHAMELES THIEVES Socialism: don't think cuba, think northern europe (and to an extent, Canada) and I know I will get flames for this, and people will say "what the f-ck canada is not socialist... the truth is, they are more socialist than capitalist AS A NATION (and seeing as how their leaders run those nations). - the state takes care of the people's needs: health, education, public services, public infrastructure (dont know if that's the word); and actually gives good stuff back to you for your tax money, then you can't call that "wrong". With socialism the problem comes when a megalomaniac comes and decides the state will take care of everything and no one will be allowed to have anything, they will decide how much you make and what you can eat and wear... they will give you those things and you have to be happy or die (or leave). That's just wrong... and I'm not talking about the humanitarian side... I'm talking about the fact that if no one makes a dime, then no one will pay taxes... and so where will the nation be when there's no more money? -- -- -- Capitalism: don't think USA capitalism because it just gives capitalism a bad name. The country is taking care and helping those that: a) don't need it (the uber rich that for the most part are the ones responsible for the shape the economy is today) dont deserve it (the uber poor, that for the most part are octo-moms and such) I will not go on and on about the good in capitalism because we all know it already... so I'll only state the bad. With capitalism the problem comes when the people in power can do just as they like just to get 0.01% more profit without anyone controling them. Problems come too from the govt trying to help the people in the other side: the poor. They will give the poor money and so they will remain poor and lazy. Why work when you can have a gazillion children and get money from the state? Well if you think like that, why dont you go live in cuba? The truth is neither capitalism nor socialism is good or bad. The irresponsible people ruining the countries should be labeled, not the economic model (yes I said ruining instead of running). Damn... somehow I know Neo, KSG, and Homz are going to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 The entire last page of this thread is what happens when I sleep. It's like a conservative 'circle jerk'. "Not in a gay way' date=' though". [/quote']Please Homz, PLEASE start another thread so I can get in the middle of it and piss all over everybody who contributes. King Neo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homz Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Please Homz' date=' PLEASE start another thread so I can get in the middle of it and piss all over everybody who contributes. King Neo.[/quote'] Come on man. That was funny. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously. In fact fully half of what I say is an attempt to be funny. Take the time to understand that and we'll get along fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitfidl Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 I used to think socialism was a bad thing, but now I think those who want it deserve it. You only ave to look at Cuba to see a place that once had food and clothes and houses that didn't leak. Then Castro took over and was friends with Russia. Now they have no food, no new clothes and no houses that don't leak. They cannot leave (they get shot) and nobody wants to go there (it's a crappy place) and they GOT what they deserved. Then look at Russia -- starving peasants and a nasty old Czar so they had a revolution and they got the Bolsheveks who had Stalin. Then 50 million of them got murdered by Stalin (well at least THEY were not starving). Millions were sent to the Gulag -- they got to work hard for nothing (until they starved too). Then they had a society where people would steal a burned out light bulb and sell it to someone with 20 cents who would replace a working light bulb with a burned out one and sell that (for 30 cents?) and someone would steal the burned out one and sell it again. (That's a form of self enterprise you know?) So the ones who prefer socialism DESERVE socialism. They should not be forced to have jobs, cars, houses, food, clothes, vacations, good health, education, GUITARS, boats, golf games, retirement funds. That stuff makes them virtual slaves. Imagine how demeaning it is to get up on Saturday and be faced with cleaning a three car garage (with an RV parked next to it) and having to throw out BURNED OUT LIGHT BULBS and old clothes and old guitars(!!) and old gold shoes and anything **dated** like a 1990's something. Virtual slavery. Socialism is better: nobody has anything .. so there is nothing to throw out, nothing to eat, no dirty dishes, no laundry (you're wearing all your clothes), no exhausting golf games, no camping (just living is like camping), no boats (to escape) and no prospects of getting any. Mexico, for example, does not need a Border Patrol. Nobody is trying to break in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundergod Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 I think most of you guys (and the rest of the world) take socialism for comunism which is not the same. Most of your oppinions are about comunism. Anyway, everything sucks if the people in charge is not responsible and don't plan for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Allen Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Anyway' date=' everything sucks if the people in charge is not responsible and don't plan for the future.[/quote'] Well said!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californiaman Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 There comes a time in the life of a nation where its people must decide what they must do to ensure the survival of that nation. Ours is' date=' like no other time in it's great history, at a confluence of ideologies and traditions. So profound and penetrating are the crisis we face that we must truly look beneath what is superficial and trite. We must, with reason and through rational debate, weigh carefully the difficult choices we must make. For to unwisely decide puts our great nation and it's future in grave peril. Therefore, I will resolve to continue to post such topics that will stimulate and arouse our national conscience. To this very end result, a better society our goal, our bright and shining future, for each and every one of us.[/quote'] Hey Hugo Chavez just called Obama out. He basically said the United States needs to become a socialist nation and Obama should lead the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homz Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Hey Hugo Chavez just called Obama out. He basically said the United States needs to become a socialist nation and Obama should lead the way. That's not the news report I heard. Could you post that from a reputable source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitfidl Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Well the U.S. has chosen to go socialist and we are going there fast. If you don't think things have CHANGED the U.S. government now OWNS most of the biggest banks, insurance companies and manufactures in the U.S. (That took Hitler about 4 years but now the U.S. government is already there.) They US Government is entirely made up of ONE party and it OWNS the private means of production AND the banking system. What that tells you (unless you are not connecting the dots) is that the U.S. and China have essentially the exact same government. So all you need to do it to look at what China has done with it's citizens and you have real good idea of where U.S. citizens are heading. Mexico better be careful the Mexicans will be sneaking back into Mexico once they figure out what's happened. That's change! In fact -- that's Chang! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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