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22 minutes ago, Karloff said:

 

I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about a ding underneath a pickguard of a $2000 guitar. not dents and chips on a $70,000 vehicle. I should have paid closer attention to the post when I read it. 

thats a ridiculous comparison. 

Not at all. A £2000 Gibson Les Paul is a premium, luxury instrument and comparable to a luxury car purchase in this context. We aren't talking about a Squier Affinity Stratocaster which cost £135.

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A closer analogy would be buying a car with a rear deck spoiler installed from the factory, removing it, finding a scratch underneath it, and calling it a defect.   The car was meant to have the spoiler on.  The same could be said for guitars that come from the factory with the p-g installed.

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23 minutes ago, sunking101 said:

Not at all. A £2000 Gibson Les Paul is a premium, luxury instrument and comparable to a luxury car purchase in this context. We aren't talking about a Squier Affinity Stratocaster which cost £135.

Like I said I understand why that would bother some people.  I'm just not one of them. and I also stand by my statement that your comparison of a $2,000 guitar & a $70,000 vehicle is silly.  but to answer your question. yes. If I laid out 70 grand for a car I wouldn't like dings & dents on it. 

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skimming through some of the other comments, brought to mind just a month ago where a friend of mine bought a new (old stock) Les Paul and a similar situation.  He didn't mention if it had a ding but it bothered him that the Pickguard nut was resting on the body. Gibson should use a thinner nut & shorter screw for that application.  it would certainly be a simple fix for them. 

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3 hours ago, sunking101 said:

So you would not mind a few small dents in your car doors, stone chips on the bonnet and scuffed alloy wheels when you collect your brand new $70k car from the dealership? After all, these things will inevitably happen over time.

 

A catalogue of pre-arranged damage meted out on a car? You are obviously describing a 'Road-Worn' Fender...

Pip.

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1 minute ago, pippy said:

 

A catalogue of pre-arranged damage meted out on a car? You are obviously describing a 'Road-Worn' Fender...

Pip.

Yes but apparently dings are inevitable. Lots of people are saying that I shouldn't fuss that my brand new £2k guitar has damage because damage is inevitable and I will do it to my guitar myself over time.

All and I mean ALL cars at some point will have stonechips, minor door dents from discourteous fellow car park users, and scuffed alloy wheels. So if all that is inevitable then why fuss if the car leaves the showroom with that damage? 

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Not entirely true;

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/delivery-mileage-mclaren-f1-emerges-japanese-time-capsule

Anyhow; the 'ding' isn't a mistake. It's put there because it's "Historically Accurate". All '58 - '60 'bursts have them. It's how they are supposed to be.

Did you not know that?.........:-k.........

A fortnight ago when you started talking about this situation it was suggested that you take the case of being sold 'Damaged Goods' up more seriously with the dealership. Have you done that yet? If so then please tell us how you got on. If not then please tell us how you get on. Because bleating away like a pissed-off sheep here is not going to get you anywhere.

Pip.

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21 minutes ago, pippy said:

Not entirely true;

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/delivery-mileage-mclaren-f1-emerges-japanese-time-capsule

Anyhow; the 'ding' isn't a mistake. It's put there because it's "Historically Accurate". All '58 - '60 'bursts have them. It's how they are supposed to be.

Did you not know that?.........:-k.........

A fortnight ago when you started talking about this situation it was suggested that you take the case of being sold 'Damaged Goods' up more seriously with the dealership. Have you done that yet? If so then please tell us how you got on. If not then please tell us how you get on. Because bleating away like a pissed-off sheep here is not going to get you anywhere.

Pip.

The thread kinda petered out but someone brought it back to life again. Beyond my initial complaint, nah, I didn't take it further. I've had a lot on with a family member's health problems so this took a backseat. It's a shame because it has put a dampener on an expensive purchase. 

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7 hours ago, sunking101 said:

The thread kinda petered out but someone brought it back to life again. Beyond my initial complaint, nah, I didn't take it further. I've had a lot on with a family member's health problems so this took a backseat. It's a shame because it has put a dampener on an expensive purchase. 

 

This flaw is something that you resent, and clearly that is unlikely to change. I suggest you do something about it now, else you are going to nurse this resentment for the duration of owning the guitar. That's an unhappy prospect. I know because I have a similar enduring attitude to an imperfect PRS guitar. 

Pip's right about the complaining thing. You have a legitimate issue. Why not just get it sorted and have done with it? 

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5 hours ago, merciful-evans said:

 

This flaw is something that you resent, and clearly that is unlikely to change. I suggest you do something about it now, else you are going to nurse this resentment for the duration of owning the guitar. That's an unhappy prospect. I know because I have a similar enduring attitude to an imperfect PRS guitar. 

Pip's right about the complaining thing. You have a legitimate issue. Why not just get it sorted and have done with it? 

I've owned the guitar a month now and am past any period of swapping it. I cokplained in the first 30 days and was told it wasn't a problem they were prepared to fix, so I don't see how I'll get anywhere now.

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I already put a mar on mine and I'm pissed. Goes to so you... oh well. Even Britney Spears gets pimples on her butt.

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1 hour ago, Big Bill said:

 Even Britney Spears gets pimples on her butt.

 

I'd like to do some periodic inspections just to verify that

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Well door ding or hood scratch is a far cry from a nut mark under a pick guard. 

As stated, it's like seeing blemish under a spoiler or behind a mud flap on a new car.

That said.

Nitro is nice to look at and bad for a surface cause its soft.

Don't wear mosquitoe repellent playing your Gibson outdoors,  It will haze the surface. 

Opps, so much for playing outdoors 

 

That said, the nick is an easy fix for a good guitar tech.

A drop of nitro on the spot will meld with the surface and cover the spot.

Then use a smaller length of the screw

https://www.stewmac.com/Materials_and_Supplies/Finishing_Supplies/Finishes_and_Solvents/ColorTone_Spraying_Lacquer/ColorTone_Nitrocellulose_Guitar_Lacquer.html

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3 minutes ago, Eracer_Team said:

Well door ding or hood scratch is a far cry from a nut mark under a pick guard. 

As stated, it's like seeing blemish under a spoiler or behind a mud flap on a new car.

That said.

Nitro is nice to look at and bad for a surface cause its soft.

Don't wear mosquitoe repellent playing your Gibson outdoors,  It will haze the surface. 

Opps, so much for playing outdoors 

 

That said, the nick is an easy fix for a good guitar tech.

A drop of nitro on the spot will meld with the surface and cover the spot.

Then use a smaller length of the screw

https://www.stewmac.com/Materials_and_Supplies/Finishing_Supplies/Finishes_and_Solvents/ColorTone_Spraying_Lacquer/ColorTone_Nitrocellulose_Guitar_Lacquer.html

I'm a pickguard off kinda guy but would leave a spoiler on my car...

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Well I agree that the ding is not too much of a problem under a pick guard, but it would be more so if SK101 wanted remove it.

Personally, I always remove them. Fortunately my LP has no  PG attachment holes nor marks. 

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18 hours ago, sunking101 said:

...Lots of people are saying that I shouldn't fuss that my brand new £2k guitar has damage because damage is inevitable and I will do it to my guitar myself over time...

 

On the more general subject of under-guard areas and what might be lurking therein - and just FWIW...

In the summer of 2008 I bought a mint-condition 1995 R0. It was custom-detailed at the Custom Shop by a player/collector and had been kept in a glass display case until he traded it in. When I got it there wasn't a mark on it. After a while - around 8 months - I noticed what appeared to be some lacquer checking in the Vol / Tone knob area. Curious as to what was going on I had a really good look all over the guitar and this was what I saw underneath its pickguard;

Checking-after-8-months.jpg

Ten years on the checking is much more pronounced but seems to have pretty much stabilised as there has been very little change - if any - over the last five years or so. The curious thing is that my 4 LPs were all made within a 4 year timeframe of '91 to '95; they are all kept in exactly the same room under exactly the same conditions yet the R0 is the only one which has checked.

Pip.

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Common problem, my store has 2 Les Paul Standard50s and they BOTH have a big dent under the pickguard.  
Gibson mounts it onto an expensive guitar with the screw touching the body.  I don't understand they can't do that right...
But is it really fixed as of end of may as big bill stated?  
 

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15 minutes ago, JVC said:

Common problem, my store has 2 Les Paul Standard50s and they BOTH have a big dent under the pickguard.  
Gibson mounts it onto an expensive guitar with the screw touching the body.  I don't understand they can't do that right...
But is it really fixed as of end of may as big bill stated?  
 

It hasn't been fixed in decades so I rather doubt it.

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