Hoyt Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 I'm enraged by your ignorance....Slavery (as it existed prior to 1865) is over...Seriously' date=' brother, pick up a book, it will do wonders for you. Cheers.[/quote'] Yep, it took 90 years to undo to a limited extent what the "founders" allowed, notwithstanding all their talk about "iberty" and such. Of course, there are still plenty who are still ticked about that. God Bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NeoConMan Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 NeoCon' date=' how many times have you had your house broken into by someone intent on harming you or your family?[/quote']Never. Not likely either. Stop by some time and you can see why. It's the little things that make all the difference in the world. Of course, it NEVER happens anywhere, right? What about all those people using all those guns to commit all those crimes? (You know, all the guns that we should pass laws to ban.) But if it never happens and we don't need to worry, why do we need to defend ourselves at all? Wait, if we have to defend ourselves because it happens all the time... But it never happens so we.... Wait, no, I'm confused now. Liberal "logic" does it to me every time. Yea' date=' I know it only takes once -- but I think you are irrational and a bit scared. [/quote']I think you're a typical Liberal. Abstract reasoning means abstract only - no reasoning. Do you have a spare tire in your car? Do you keep extra strings at home for your guitar? Do you have an extra house key stashed outside or left with a neighbor? Do you have a cell phone? Do you have money saved up "just in case" something happens? Do you have insurance on your house, car, family? Jeez, why are you so f-ing paranoid? I'm prepared for the worst, and I hope for the best. Don't bother answering any of these questions, just ignore them like you did all the others there in your La-La Land. Kinda like Homz does.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Oh my God..... Glad to see you found the correct definition. Do you caress your guns' date=' are they your "babies"?[/quote']As much as I do my guitars. They are well-cared for and properly maintained. As to the founders' date=' the fact they allowed slavery is enogh for me. The fact they didn't consider them whole, should be enough for anyone. The fact many owned and abused slaves, should enrage us all. And let's not forget they denied women the vote, and allowed killing Native Americans for their land. [/quote']Okay, smart guy, fix it. Abra cadabra, you're King For A Day. What would YOU do to fix it? Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Oh my God..... Okay' date=' smart guy, fix it. Abra cadabra, you're King For A Day. What would YOU do to fix it? Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk.....[/quote'] I can understand the guitars. They are not used to kill folks -- whom even you acknowledge are not likely to invade your home -- yet you sit there caressing weapons that can kill 15 or 20 folks in a few seconds. Most folks I've known who were gun nuts, especially those who cling to and caress their assault weapons, are just looking for an excuse to shoot someone. I think we'd be better off minimzing that group because people with irrational fears and perversions are a danger to society. History has proven that repeatedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.... Still no answers, more tiring drivel about "bad people" and the less than flattering admission you own a gun. Why do you own a gun? Why are you in this thread? History has proven WHAT repeatedly? Who's irrational, by what definition, and who do you REALLY think you are? I'll leave you one more profound little nugget of truth. I'm probably the best neighbor you could ever have, nobody would fuxk around your place if you lived beside me. Ask any of my former neighbors, they will tell you so. If I was out of town or sound asleep, and some bad guy was looking to get into my place, I'm sure you wouldn't fail me. Yeah, right.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSG_Standard Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 I can understand the guitars. They are not used to kill folks -- whom even you acknowledge are not likely to invade your home -- yet you sit there caressing weapons that can kill 15 or 20 folks in a few seconds. Most folks I've known who were gun nuts' date=' especially those who cling to and caress their assault weapons, are just looking for an excuse to shoot someone[/b']. I think we'd be better off minimzing that group because people with irrational fears and perversions are a danger to society. History has proven that repeatedly. You know people that are looking to kill other people? Did you turn them in to the police? I have a large gunsafe full of guns, I've caressed, cleaned, modified and handled them for years, and I've never shot anyone, nor have I wanted to shoot anyone. Sounds to me, like your hanging out with the wrong crowd pal. Again, why do you keep relating guns to perverts? What kind of person are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 You know people that are looking to kill other people? Did you turn them in to the police? I have a large gunsafe full of guns' date=' I've caressed, cleaned, modified and handled them for years, and I've never shot anyone, nor have I wanted to shoot anyone. Sounds to me, like your hanging out with the wrong crowd pal. Again, why do you keep relating guns to perverts? What kind of person are you?[/quote'] If I thought it would do any good, I would turn those with assault weapons into police. However, the police don't usually go after people until they do something illegal. Now, having a reasonable weapon for protection is one thing -- like I said, I have a few. But, none of us need a weapon capable of killing multiple people in a few seconds. That is what is irrational. Those are the weapons that should be banned or limited, and the sooner the better. And please spare me the "only criminals will have them." The criminals who have them are mostly drug dealers, who you ought not be messing with -- And of course, our own homegrown terrorists like the Tim McVeighs, supremacists, malcontents, etc. Finally, I'm not relating "guns" to perverts. I'm only posting about the perverts who deem it necessary to possess "assault weapons" to caress, bolster their self esteem, and protect themselves from irrational fears that really don't exist. Sleep tight (probably with one eye open). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daerious Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Hoyt, you confuse me. And honestly, you do such a piss poor job making an argument that even gun control fanatics would be raising their eyebrows at your statements. First you you claim an ideal is irrational. But this ideal that you claim is irrational has been supported and defended by countless American leaders, as well as leaders from all over the world. "None of us need a weapon capable of killing multiple people in a few seconds." First, you have said several times that six-shooter is acceptable to you... I can kill six people in a few seconds with that, possibly more if they stand just right Second, "having a reasonable weapon for protection is one thing", we can assume you mean that it is acceptable to have a "reasonable" weapon for protection. I do not believe you to be a weapon specialist, or capable of determining what weapon is reasonable for protection. I formed that opinion based on seeing that your only response to being questioned about the details is "a six-shooter" and "reasonable". Who do you think we have the right to protect ourselves from? Only from one criminal at a time? Only criminals that invade our homes? Only random criminals? The truth is, we have a right to protect ourselves from any threat, including our government. What weapon is reasonable defense against the weapons used by our military? The answer is... the most advanced and devastating weapons available. You keep saying that it is an irrational fear, a paranoia, because it is unlikely that a person will invade one's home. I think someone else covered it, but really, it is so funny I have to respond. I'll try to keep this list from repeated the previous responders: Seat Belt Helmet Smoke Detector Alarm System Deadbolts/Locks This could go on all night. But really it doesn't need to because you already admit you have a gun and machette for defense... you paranoid irrationally fearful guy you. Please hoyt, start over from the beginning and explain why ANY weapon should be illegal for people to own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitfidl Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 The NRA has fairly accurate records (and guns are their business). They estimate that more than 10 million Americans own at least one gun and most own several guns. So you are saying it is your opinion that they all want to shoot someone? -- "Most folks I've known who were gun nuts, especially those who cling to and caress their assault weapons, are just looking for an excuse to shoot someone." That absolutely absurd (not much more than an emotional outburst). Not a reasoned opinion. THAT is irrational. Also "Now, having a reasonable weapon for protection is one thing -- like I said, I have a few. But, none of us need a weapon capable of killing multiple people in a few seconds." Is yet another absurdity. Since the overwhelming majority of the 10 million gun owners never shoot anyone their purpose in owning what has been called "assault" rifle is not to assault anyone but to shoot targets. We (humans) need a quart of water every 24 hours, a half cup of cornmeal of rice, a way to avoid hypothermia or sunstroke (shelter) and that 's about it. We do not need boats, guitars, music, golf clubs, swimming pools, cars, trucks, lawn mowers, horses, cows, business suits, power tools, computers, phones, gasoline --AND most of those things could be used to kill someone except once again most of use never want to kill anyone or to engage in any kind of interpersonal violence. So it is not necessary to ban swimming pools or motorcycles or snow mobiles or jeeps or dogs or cats. Also it is an absurdity to get emotionally invested in "assault rifles" since they are not used to assault anything. Emotional liberal propagandists have convinced unthinking liberal nitwits that they must donate money to ban rifles and hand guns and that they must buy junk literature and vote on their unfounded (and realistic) fears (phobias) about people who own rifles. The same idiot liberals completely overlook 50,000 deaths which occur annually in motor vehicle accidents 80% of which are preventable. Traffic accidents have killed 2,500,000 Americans since 1950 in violent and untimely deaths destroying families and leaving at least 10,000,000 permanently injured for the remainder of their lives. But liberals do not EMOTE over traffic deaths because there is no media propaganda machine appealing to their irrational knee jerk liberalism. More death and major injuries than ALL the wars America has fought! Liberals rarely exhibit enough self discipline to refrain from drinking (or smoking pot and taking other drugs) even though they intend to drive an automobile and we can see them driving along talking on the cell phone and paying absolutely not attention to driving. Liberals love boom boxes that make their cars vibrate and deprive them of hearing and other perceptions needed to drive safely (they do not care about driving safely)(and they do not care about traffic deaths and life-altering injuries) But they EMOTE over rifles and gun ownership and car bombs in Iraq and slavery and global warming and medical research and something NONE of them can define -- stem cells. They believed Al Gore when he said he'd get Christopher Reed walking within weeks after he get elected (idiotic) through stem cells (ridic-ulous of course). They believed Jonathan Edwards when he said he was a happily married man who was faithful to his wife. They believed Clinton when he said he did not screw Monica on his desk. And they believe the media when they say Rush Limbaugh is the highjest priority problem facing the new administration. And liberals worry about gun control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstMeasure Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Man I left just when this thread was getting good. Here's my Girlfriends 9mm S&W. I'm more comfortable with her using this for home protection than a Machette (that silly Friday the 13th movie sure gave people a cockeyed view of that Brush Clearing Utensil). C'mon, More Gun Pics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FennRx Posted March 9, 2009 Author Share Posted March 9, 2009 is that a sigma? i have the sigma 9mm as well. great gun, i dont care what people say. very comfy to handle, easy to shoot accurately. and i love the soon to be banned 16 round mags. i would carry it, but its a little large for my purposes- i normally go with my smith 642. how does your old lady like it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstMeasure Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 She loves it, it's so light and handles os easy. I like it too, I may just get one, too, It's so comfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FennRx Posted March 9, 2009 Author Share Posted March 9, 2009 like i said, i love mine. and i got mine new for about $300 in december. cant argue with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 C'mon' date=' More Gun Pics![/quote'] I'm not much for posting weapons pics, here's one I really like though. Fenn, note the MagnaPorting to reduce muzzle flip. Very effective. Cocobolo wood grips too, got rid of the rubber. I can get all three fingers on it now (sorta) and the rubber no longer grabs the inside of my pocket. If you carry concealed, I recommend you do the same. I use only Cor-Bon 110 grain jacketed hollow points, nothing else compares to the terminal performance. Tested it myself in a water trap. All I can say is, wow. Usually it's in the possession of my wife - the sweet, smiling, pleasant elementary school teacher. I carry it when I'm on my motorcycle sometimes, unless I'm going deep in the desert then I carry a Glock 10mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSG_Standard Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I was carrying a stainless S&W model 1076 in 10mm. I had to leave it in my truck in Houston, because I had to visit a customer in a building where guns were not allowed. I locked the gun, holster and second clip in the console of the truck, parked the truck on the street, directly across from a police substation, and went inside the building to do business. When I came out about an hour later, someone had pushed the lock out of the passenger side door and popped the console open...gun, holster, laptop and camera gone! The policeman, who had to walk across the street to fill out the crime scene paperwork was useless and told me "Sh1t happens"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Allen Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 pulling a Homz here. NRA? discuss. i just joined today. and i'm already pissed about the government and taxation. now i just need to find Jesus and my conversion to the dark side will be complete.:- LOL! LMAO! I am your father, FennRx! Come to the dark side and we will rule the galaxy together! Seriously though. God bless the NRA for protecting our second amendment rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Allen Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Yea sure' date=' they hated slavery so much that they specifically put the "Three-Fifths Compromise" into the Constitution that indicated they didn't even consider slaves as "humans." Read about it ole history professor. I don't think the founding fathers envisioned legions of right wingers owning so-called "assualt weapons" (again, however you prefer to define them). Further, they sure didn't envision the many perverts who own them out of some irrational fear.[/quote'] Okay, Hoyt. IT WAS a compromise. The Founding Fathers were trying to create a new country and needed to have all 13 colonies come together. The biggest single issue holding this up the Southern states desire to have slaves. So, in order to bring about unity at the time, they COMPROMISED. This does NOT mean that they didn't give up on the subject. After we won our independance, many of our Founding Fathers worked very hard to eradicate slavery. The FFs compromised and expected that someday men would become enlightened enough to stop it. I would suggest some good books to read on this. I've just read them and they are great. Team of Rivals by Doris Goodwin (about the struggle to end slavery by Lincoln and his contemporaries. There is also a lot about the FFs and thier opinions on this). John Adams by David McCollough. He outlines the struggles that Adams had pulling together the Southern states on this issue and what the FFs thoughts were on this compromise and what they envisioned to happen to it. With all due respect, reading history is a wonderful exercise and allows you to support arguments with facts, not opinions. It also gives you a deeper respect for the country you live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Okay' date=' Hoyt. IT WAS a compromise. The Founding Fathers were trying to create a new country and needed to have all 13 colonies come together. The biggest single issue holding this up the Southern states desire to have slaves. So, in order to bring about unity at the time, they COMPROMISED. This does NOT mean that they didn't give up on the subject. After we won our independance, many of our Founding Fathers worked very hard to eradicate slavery. The FFs compromised and expected that someday men would become enlightened enough to stop it. I would suggest some good books to read on this. I've just read them and they are great. Team of Rivals by Doris Goodwin (about the struggle to end slavery by Lincoln and his contemporaries. There is also a lot about the FFs and thier opinions on this). John Adams by David McCollough. He outlines the struggles that Adams had pulling together the Southern states on this issue and what the FFs thoughts were on this compromise and what they envisioned to happen to it. With all due respect, reading history is a wonderful exercise and allows you to support arguments with facts, not opinions. It also gives you a deeper respect for the country you live in. [/quote'] "Compromise" my rear. How do you "compromise" on something like that. Oh, I know, you talk of liberty and all that and then go home and beat and rape your slaves, as did many of the founders. You guys have plenty of rationales for slavery. I've heard it all before. I bet you believe "states rights" doesn't mean the "right to discriminate" as professed by the Wallaces, Maddoxs, Strom Thurmonds, Lotts, and many of today's right wingers. And I suppose the founders were all for giving women the vote, and not killing innocent Native Americans for their land. Get real. Read something besides right wing history books (just fairy tales for the most part). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSG_Standard Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 "Compromise" my rear. How do you "compromise" on something like that. Oh' date=' I know, you talk of liberty and all that and then go home and beat and rape your slaves, as did many of the founders. You guys have plenty of rationales for slavery. I've heard it all before. I bet you believe "states rights" doesn't mean the "right to discriminate" as professed by the Wallaces, Maddoxs, Strom Thurmonds, Lotts, and many of today's right wingers. And I suppose the founders were all for giving women the vote, and not killing innocent Native Americans for their land. Get real. Read something besides right wing history books (just fairy tales for the most part).[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Read something besides right wing history books (just fairy tales for the most part). Really? Right Wing history books? Where would I find such a thing? Okay, Hoyt. I'll ask you one more time.... If you were King For A Day, what would YOU do? As a card-carrying member of the "We Hate The USA" club, have we accomplished ANYTHING to suit you? I'm asking questions as a behavioral restraint tactic to supress my urge to simply machine-gun you with insults.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Allen Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 "Compromise" my rear. How do you "compromise" on something like that. Oh' date=' I know, you talk of liberty and all that and then go home and beat and rape your slaves, as did many of the founders. You guys have plenty of rationales for slavery. I've heard it all before. I bet you believe "states rights" doesn't mean the "right to discriminate" as professed by the Wallaces, Maddoxs, Strom Thurmonds, Lotts, and many of today's right wingers. And I suppose the founders were all for giving women the vote, and not killing innocent Native Americans for their land. Get real. Read something besides right wing history books (just fairy tales for the most part).[/quote'] Hoyt, my antiAmerican friend, look at it this way. Our Founding Fathers created documents of freedom and a system of government never before seen on the planet. Those Freedom documents not only was used to rightly justify the freedom of the slaves but to give women the right to vote (rightly) and set a standard for living for the greatest number of people ever in the history of man. It even gave you the right to spew the antiAmerican-hate-myself propaganda you are spewing. And I have to agree with my friends here on the "right wing history book stuff." Where? I had to do a lot of reading and research about my wonderful country to rid myself of the negative, alternative history that our liberal public schools brainwashed me with. Do you realize that many of our schools don't allow pictures of our Founding Fathers to be displayed anymore because of the ignorance (meaning lack of knowledge) of people like yourself. And by the way, the majority of our Founding Fathers were against slavery. However, because the ignorance keeps getting perpetuated, people think all our FFs were bad people, not worthy of honor. I tell you what, for every FF you give me that had slaves, I'll give you two who didn't. Hows that for a challenge. Be careful, I am well versed in American history. I have done research and have facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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