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Used 2018 SG Standard Binding/Nut defect

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Hello all,

I recently purchased a lightly used 2018 Gibson Standard SG on Reverb. Upon inspection, I see that there is an extreme defect with the nut/binding. In the pictures I have attached, you can see that the binding extends into the nut slot and consequently, the nut was crookedly cut and glued to the binding. I have never seen anything like this. Additionally, it looks like there is red paint on some of the binding.

When I messaged the seller, he became very defensive and explained that the nut/binding issue could easily be repaired (which I doubt). He also stated that the red paint/staining on the fretboard is from the case and is very common.

Can anyone shed any light on this? I’m afraid the guitar may be a fake, although all of the electronics say Gibson and it came with a gibson case, a photo of the guitar from what I presume is the factory, and a Gibson multi tool. It also came with all the paperwork including the manual, warranty card, and factory checklist. 

Im at a loss for what to do 😕

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I've not seen this sort of thing before, but it appears to be a deliberate feature. Where the binding  meets the nut, it stops and a packing pieces applied to fill the gaps. What is between these triangular bits of 'binding' is hopefully more of the nut. Someone more familiar may be able to shed more light about this.

The 'red paint' just looks like body finish that has leached into the binding area a little. Nothing to worry about IMO. 

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I never payed attention to were the binding meets the nut before, so I cant form an opinion on that one. I'm sure your SG is not a fake. The red on the binding is over spray that the binding scrappers missed during their phase of the production.  All you're seeing is some small quality control issues from the factory. I would NOT blame the seller. 

Congratulations on the new SG, I know you will love playing for many years to come.

EDIT: I looked at the some of the SGs in the  Gibson catalog and the quality of the nut is shotty by the factory.  The seller is correct, it is an easy fix by any luthier and the average cost is about $50.  Gibson has been know to have QC issues that past couple of years and I think this is what your seeing, thank god it an easy and cheap fix.  

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While I can't see it close up with my own eyes, if the final clear  nitro   comes over the sides of the binding, what may be covering the nut is simply some of the clearcoat nitro, and not actual binding. However, if any doubt, take it to a reputable luthier for an expert opinion. If it's gooched and was not disclosed by the seller, then maybe ask to return it.

The red is nothing to worry about (unless it is a source of irritation for yourself personally...) I have seen more than 1 Gibson with this. It's purely cosmetic, on the bottom of the neck,  and doesn't have an impact on the sound... 😀

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open up the truss rod cover, if you need a socket type tool to adjust it, you're good,  (it's not a fake)

 

if you need an allen wrench, ..  you're not..

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Like Hector said, the binding is fine..  What you're seeing is some lacquer over the side of the nut, which is normal.  You can see the end of the binding meeting the edge of the nut right where it's supposed to be, at the front of the nut.  The smudge of paint or stain on the binding is not unusual at all.  It's just where they didn't scrape it all off the binding before spraying the nitro.  I wouldn't worry about either of those things. 

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That qualifies as an iconic nut and overspray job.

rct

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Acceptance of this QC issue is unacceptable. When you pay premium money for a premium product you should get just that, a premium product. This is why Gibson has taken the hit it has recently. I'd be pissed off if that was my guitar.

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17 minutes ago, viper155 said:

Acceptance of this QC issue is unacceptable. When you pay premium money for a premium product you should get just that, a premium product. This is why Gibson has taken the hit it has recently. I'd be pissed off if that was my guitar.

He bought it used

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13 hours ago, Big Bill said:

He bought it used

 

Odds are, that didn't happen after it left the factory, viper155 is implying that it should never have left the factory like that in the first place, and I agree. When you pay a lot of money for something (like a Gibson guitar), you have a right to expect it to be well finished. In this case, it wasn't so much.

However, does the over-spray of the lacquer and stain on the binding change the sound the guitar makes? No.

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2 hours ago, Hector said:

 

Odds are, that didn't happen after it left the factory, viper155 is implying that it should never have left the factory like that in the first place, and I agree. When you pay a lot of money for something (like a Gibson guitar), you have a right to expect it to be well finished. In this case, it wasn't so much.

However, does the over-spray of the lacquer and stain on the binding change the sound the guitar makes? No.

Oh, understood. Hell, they could have cleaned that up in no time and effort.

I have taken an exacto knife and scraped some over spray off binding in the past. It's really not that big of a deal. Just more of a refection of the QC than anything else.

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ya know...things can happen,,, at the factory....  like friday's... after a lunch....  at the brew pub....  'hic...

 

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1 hour ago, kidblast said:

ya know...things can happen,,, at the factory....  like friday's... after a lunch....  at the brew pub....  'hic...

lolz

I was not permitted into the paint shop at Fedner Mecca, regulations and such.  So I had a coffee and a nice cheroot with a handful of painters at a picnic table out by the dock where they were putting pallets of Strats and Teles in trucks to be delivered all across this great land.  I had a b0ner.

They told some good stories, especially the two guys that did sunbursts, by hand, because that is the only way you can do them.  What a great bunch of people, extremely dedicated to what they do, and not a one of them much more than a cowboy chord player.  There was a tele on the picnic table that I was thinking about buying.  It was fun. 

At the acoustic guitar Mecca in PA, we had beers and such with a guy named Chris IV and a few other craftspersons types.  Them too, dedicated, all of them including Chris were much better guitar players than I, even though not a one of them could mash out even a decent version of Alright Now or Smoke On The Water.

I would guess, with all my being and heart and guitar playerness that Gibson Incorporated LLC is chock full of the very same kind of people.  I never made it to there and probably never will now, but I am sure it is much the same, a place that makes guitars and all of the warts that go along with making guitars.  Perfect is the enemy of good.

rct

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1 hour ago, rct said:

Perfect is the enemy of good.

 

If you have every tried a Framus, you might disagree with that statement !

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26 minutes ago, Hector said:

 

If you have every tried a Framus, you might disagree with that statement !

 

I have.  I don't.

rct

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2 hours ago, rct said:

lolz

I was not permitted into the paint shop at Fedner Mecca, regulations and such.  So I had a coffee and a nice cheroot with a handful of painters at a picnic table out by the dock where they were putting pallets of Strats and Teles in trucks to be delivered all across this great land.  I had a b0ner.

They told some good stories, especially the two guys that did sunbursts, by hand, because that is the only way you can do them.  What a great bunch of people, extremely dedicated to what they do, and not a one of them much more than a cowboy chord player.  There was a tele on the picnic table that I was thinking about buying.  It was fun. 

At the acoustic guitar Mecca in PA, we had beers and such with a guy named Chris IV and a few other craftspersons types.  Them too, dedicated, all of them including Chris were much better guitar players than I, even though not a one of them could mash out even a decent version of Alright Now or Smoke On The Water.

I would guess, with all my being and heart and guitar playerness that Gibson Incorporated LLC is chock full of the very same kind of people.  I never made it to there and probably never will now, but I am sure it is much the same, a place that makes guitars and all of the warts that go along with making guitars.  Perfect is the enemy of good.

rct

I'm sure you are by percentages right.  I don't think any one decides "ya know what, I'm gonna hose this nut and then they can ship it!"

Who knows what passes for "good enough" and what just gets put back in into the gristmill. 

My bar isn't set as high as others, I would consider the binding details as illustrated in this thread  a non issue.

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1 hour ago, rct said:

 

I have.  I don't.

rct

 

We'll have to agree to disagree.. My Framus is significantly better than any of the LP and SGs I have / have had. And I've had quite a few Gibsons in my time.

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1 hour ago, Big Bill said:

Well, that ended the start of that!!

 

 

You judge too quickly.

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51 minutes ago, Hector said:

 

We'll have to agree to disagree.. My Framus is significantly better than any of the LP and SGs I have / have had. And I've had quite a few Gibsons in my time.

Never played a Framus, but ogled the web site a few times,, do look like he are very nice guitars,

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