bailey99 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Playing my first gig with my new SJ200. Slapped a kyser capo on the neck, stored it on the headstock...when I got home I noticed that the capo had left a mark (small blackish dot) on the neck and a rectangular line (same size as the capo) across my beautiful, formerly pristine, Gibson logo. Anybody else had this happen? My luthier said it was because of the reaction of the rubber on the capo and the nitrocelliouse finish on the guitar. All said, it's a small blemish, but it bothers me immensely; I take care of my guitars. Can anyone offer any advice, condolences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry K Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Bummer! Get a Shubb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GotTheSilver Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Man, sorry to hear about that. I have used Kyser capos and I really don't like them. Seems like I always have to put them on 2 or 3 times before getting it right with the guitar in tune. In other words, the Kyser pulls the strings out of tune. When I got my Advanced Jumbo a couple of months ago, I decided to go ahead and spring for a G7 capo. They are expensive, but man this thing works great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I've never cared for Kysers, not so much for the effect that you describe, but more because they SHARP EVERYTHING! (drives me nuts!) So I use a Shubb. Several Shubbs, actually. Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertjohn Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Sorry to hear of your problem. Not good. I have a Kyser for my 12 string which is a piano black finish all over including the headstock (I put mine there too during gigs and practice.) Never noticed any marks. I'd be very disappointed if it reacts with the finish because I really like mine. If this is the case, they're not fit for purpose in my view and you should complain to the manufacturer vigourously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilliangirl Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I'm not a fan of Kysers either. I use mine to clip paperwork to my desk! I used to use it for a potato chip bag keeper-shutter. I have to say tho' that it never marked my guitar. It was so tight that I couldn't operate it with one hand so I switched to the G7, which I love. I also have a Planet Waves that I'm fond of. So sorry to hear of the damage to your finish :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilliangirl Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Hey, is it possible that the marks will fade in time? Whenever I change strings on my guitar, I use the Kyser to hold the string in place while I wind it. I've usually cleaned the fretboard before this, and the Kyser always leaves a mark where it's been. But, it does fade and disappear in a few hours. Not sure if we're comparing apples and oranges here but I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that yours might fade too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elantric Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Try a G7 Nashville http://www.theguitarfiles.com/product_id-2558.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Got two Kysors. Lost the first one, then purchased a replacement, then found the first one. They work great, simple, but Sweet Jay Zuss! the second one cost me most of a 20 dollar bill! The last one I remember buying, the rubber covered nail and elastic strapped Dunlop didn't top 2 bucks. Why did I choose Kysor? The only one the local Fender dealer and only guit tar dealer in town had. Kindy wanted a one that wasn't so big, but that's all he had. They are a bit dangerous though. Jammin' at a local Bluegrass get together, I ended up with the group in the kitchen. Betwixed the wash tub bass player, two mando players, a bowl of potato salad and the woman doin' dishes, it was a bit cramped. I parked the Kysor atop the head of my Yamaha, when in through the door comes the octave guit tar player. P'rt near took his glasses off with the Kysor... I 'park' it in my pocket now. btw, all capos sharpen the strings. It's inevitable, it's the nature of capos to stretch the strings. It's 10th grade physics and you can't change it. Not sure how any capo would sharpen less or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR GIBS Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Sorry to read that you had THE SAME PROBLEM AS ME... I have my M-R GIBS from e-bay - received him just a month ago. I have a pretty new Kyser and I put it on the headstock and - oh God! - ... The same thing... A stain on the Gibson mark!!!!!!!!!! I never will put it there again!!! I must say here that I could clean it with some Planet Waves "Mirror Finish Spray" Item # PWGS (with much efforts and 15 minutes scrubbing with a soft cloth)But... I use a Kyser capo since 1993 - I have it from a small shop in Paris France where I purchased an Yamaha FG-411 C MAB - so I am completely satisfied with my old capo... Newer let me down... That old Kyser capo never left marks on my Yamaha and I allways put in on the headstock. Just want to say that I will be very prudent with the new Kyser... May be there is something bad in the rubber these days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 ....That old Kyser capo never left marks on my Yamaha and I allways put in on the headstockJust want to say that I will be very prudent with the new Kyser... May be there is something bad in the rubber these days... Nothing wrong with the rubber, it's the Gibson finish. Cheaper finishes, like that used on Yamahas and Epiphones, are less prone to being marked up or reacting badly with vinyl and / or natural rubber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR GIBS Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Nothing wrong with the rubber' date=' it's the Gibson finish. Cheaper finishes, like that used on Yamahas and Epiphones, are less prone to being marked up or reacting badly with vinyl and / or natural rubber. [/quote'] Yeah, sure that is the explanation. From now one I will never put the Kyser (or any other capo) on the headstock of my Gibson SJ 200 Custom Elite - that's what I am goin' to do. Will keep capos in the back pocket of my jeans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR GIBS Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Nothing wrong with the rubber' date=' it's the Gibson finish. Cheaper finishes, like that used on Yamahas and Epiphones, are less prone to being marked up or reacting badly with vinyl and / or natural rubber. [/quote'] Yeah, sure that is the explanation. From now one I will never put the Kyser (or any other capo) on the headstock of my Gibson SJ 200 Custom Elite - that's what I am goin' to do. Will keep capos in the back pocket of my jeans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I have a Kyser. I can never seem to find the cursed thing, but it's around somewhere. It's convenient and fast and all that. I don't usually clip it onto the headstock so I've never had a problem with it leaving a mark. I have had some bad exp with guitar stands so I can see how it could be a problem. I have one old Hamilton left over from when I had my guitar shop in the 80s ($2.75 price sticker still attached). I saw the shortcomings of the Hamilton and fixed them. The bar that lays on the strings was straight so I bent it to match a radiused board. The clear tubing on it was getting old and hard so I cut it off and replaced it with a piece of leather. The thick cotton padding let the capo slip too much so I replaced it with a piece of aluminum and then added leather padding. It's slow to put on and take off but it's effective and harmless once in place. I wasn't trying to re-invent the wheel, I just couldn't find my Kyser and didn't have the $20 for a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buc McMaster Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 btw' date=' all capos sharpen the strings. It's inevitable, it's the nature of capos to stretch the strings. It's 10th grade physics and you can't change it. Not sure how any capo would sharpen less or more.[/quote'] Not like Kyser's do! The spring they use would serve a bear trap well. Shubbs, NS Capo and others are screw adjusted - you can dial in how much tension is required......kind of like how much pressure you exert with your finger(s) when fretting a string(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertjohn Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Not like Kyser's do! The spring they use would serve a bear trap well. Shubbs' date=' NS Capo and others are screw adjusted - you can dial in how much tension is required......kind of like how much pressure you exert with your finger(s) when fretting a string(s).[/quote'] Put the capo as close to the fret as possible, without it interfering with the sound. This will lessen the sharpening effect because of the............ummmmmm.........................errrr..............physics stuff. Haven't used a capo on the 12 string that doesn't sharpen the strings. Compared to the Yamaha and Adam Black 12 strings I've had, the Tak stays in tune much better than the other 2, with the same capo. So I guess string height at the nut and saddle, and the overall setup of the guitar will also have an effect. Just find on that works best for you. I use a Jim Dunlop on the SWD and it works fine with very little sharpening below say the 5th fret. Alternatively, get one of them robot acoustics. Better still, it's another genuine reason for buying another Gibson or 2. For gigs you'll need 1 in standard tuning and a couple capod and retuned. I'll try this one on Mrs AJ and the bank manager and let you know how I get on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballcorner Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Your black mark can be removed. Take the instrument to a good tech with finishing skills and they will fix it. I always use Shubb capos. They go in a pocket of your jeans real easy, so you don't need to clip them to the headstock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscott4079 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Got two Kysors. Lost the first one, then purchased a replacement, then found the first one. They work great, simple, but Sweet Jay Zuss! the second one cost me most of a 20 dollar bill! The last one I remember buying, the rubber covered nail and elastic strapped Dunlop didn't top 2 bucks. I've got two as well, and I love mine - fast and convenient. But they have gotten expensive - the first one I bought I thought I remember getting for 7 or 8 bucks. The last one cost $20! I've never had any problem with them. I found they loosen up for one-handed use after a few days. And I routinely keep mine on my headstock and haven't had any issues. Maybe their quality control has been lacking in the last few batches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jannusguy Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 don't know how old my kyser is but, i've had no issues with it. have a g7 too. like them both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickax Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Some Meguiar's Mirro Glaze (silicone free) may take the mark off the headstock. I have a Keyser but I'd never attach it to the headstock. I see a lot of players that do such but I'm not going there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Yeah' date=' sure that is the explanation. From now one I will never put the Kyser (or any other capo) on the headstock of my Gibson SJ 200 Custom Elite - that's what I am goin' to do. Will keep capos in the back pocket of my jeans.[/quote'] Might also want to wrap the lower jaw with yarn as it, too, is padded by either vinyl or rubber. It will react with your neck's finish, possibly turning it into a substance not unlike grape jelly. It won't happen over night, but if you capo much it will eventually happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Not like Kyser's do! The spring they use would serve a bear trap well. Shubbs' date=' NS Capo and others are screw adjusted - you can dial in how much tension is required......kind of like how much pressure you exert with your finger(s) when fretting a string(s).[/quote'] A little judicious tweaking of the torsion spring will loosen that right up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr newhaven Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 i bought a g7th capo...it was a bit pricey...like 40 something bucks but never leaves a mark and works perfect all the time! i recommend at least checking them out! sorry to hear about that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I knew I had that mod in here somwhere. To reduce spring tension on a Kyser: Grasp tail of spring with vice grips near arrow, then twist to put a kink in it as shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertjohn Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I knew I had that mod in here somwhere. To reduce spring tension on a Kyser: Grasp tail of spring with vice grips near arrow' date=' then twist to put a kink in it as shown. [/quote'] A cunning plan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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