Ghenson Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) Trying to identify this archtop I recently acquired. I looks like a Gibson but has been refinished and painted . The number inside the f hole is 2287 13 there are no other markings that I can see the headstock decal was sanded off when it was refinished Edited September 22, 2019 by Ghenson Pic links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimR56 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 If that's a Gibson with its original factory order number, it would appear to me to be from 1949, because the batch number (13) is not written in red pencil (see below). As for the model, you should take measurements of the body, examine the types of wood used in its construction, and check the data against a good reference source. If you can, also try to determine whether it was originally acoustic or electric. If you don't have any books, you can look here: http://guitarhq.com/gibson.html Whatever it was, it was a budget model, and wouldn't have great value even if it was still in its original state. Now, it has even less, so I wouldn't worry too much about trying to accurately identify what it was. Just play it and enjoy it. Gibson Factory Order Numbers, 1942 to 1951. Serial numbers are seldon found on instruments made during WW2. But most (not all) have Factory Order Numbers (FON). These contain a four digit batch number stamped in ink, followed by a two digit sequence number written in red pencil (during WW2 only). After the war, the red pencil wasn't used (and on instruments made during the war, sometimes it's really hard to see the red penciled sequence number). Usually there is no more than 46 instruments (sequence numbers) per batch. Also no batch number with a "1" as the first digit was used during WW2. The FON is usually located on the neck block. The war-time list that follows is not definative but includes FONs that I have seen. Unfortunately I don't have every range of FON's during this period. Year Factory Order Number ---- -------------------- 1941 G (letter code sometimes seen after FON, i.e. 2586G). 1942 907, 910, 923, 2004, 2005, 7000ish (i.e. 7119) - all 'Banner' logo. 1942 H (letter code sometimes seen after FON, i.e. 7116H). Range 5xxxH to 8xxxH 1943 Range generally 9xx to 22xx, depending on the model. 1944 Range generally 22xx to 29XX, depending on the model, some with no FON. 1945 1xx to 10xx, but many with no FON. 1946 n/a ('Banner' logo no longer used, now script logo with no banner). 1947 700s to 1000s 1948 1100s to 3700s ('Script' logo no longer used, block logo used.) 1949 2000s 1950 3000s to 5000s 1951 6000s to 9000s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghenson Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 Thanks for the info. That gives me a good place to start looking. It would be interesting if it is that old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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