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'61RI still seems to be the best pick of the SG line


LPDEN

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Great family shot there' date=' C.J.! A collection anyone can be envious of. So I have to ask, which one do you reach for the most?[/quote']

Well, this is a very hard question to answer.

I do mainly play blues and and southern rock.No metal.

As all those fiddles have their own voice but are suited for all styles in their own way

they all get the same attention.

However I catch myself to reach for the SG more often.I guess it is the neck that is so fantastic

and fast. Just feels good right away whatever you play.

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Agreed. However' date=' the '57 Classics are better IMO, but that's what that comes down to.[/quote']

Like you wrote, it's just an opinion. Not a fact. It's not that the 57 classics are better, but you

just happen to like them better. The 57C and 498T/490R are both high quality pickups.

They just sound different.

 

Like I said in an earlier post. You have to get a 1999-2001 to get the better version.

Hell... even the cases were better back then!

+1

I had 61 RI 2001 model that I let go on eBay recently. I don't regret it, but the brown case

was very cool. Now I have a Diablo and never looked back!:-

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Well' date=' this is a very hard question to answer.

I do mainly play blues and and southern rock.No metal.

As all those fiddles have their own voice but are suited for all styles in their own way

they all get the same attention.

However I catch myself to reach for the SG more often.I guess it is the neck that is so fantastic

and fast. Just feels good right away whatever you play.

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I'm sorta in the same boat as you in terms of music played. I also agree the SG is a quite comfortable guitar to play. I nearly took the plunge on a '61RI going as far as just bringing one home for a test drive yesterday. I brought it back today for 2 key reasons: 1. I found a better price elsewhere; and 2. The top wood which didn't revel it self too well in the store was a disappointment when I got it home and some natural daylight rays were hitting it. The other one I located has a much better Cherry finish on it (funny how these can vary) and a nicer grain.

 

I did take some pics of the one I returned today for posterity - here they are:

 

 

61RI006.jpg

61RI007.jpg

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Besides the neck profile and pickup issue' date=' I used to think that a

61RI was a guitar with a higher quality than SG Std. After the trip to

2 local GCs yesterday, I changed my mind. The new 61 RI is

NO BETTER than the Std.

 

61 RI used to have one piece body. No more.

It used to have deeper cutaways around the horns. Gone now.

Now the 61 RI and Std have the same 2 piece body with the

same shallow cutaways. Why pay more money for 61 RI?

"well, 61 RIs have better pickups... blah blah..." No they don't.

 

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The neck profiles are also different between the SG Std and the '61RI. The '61 RI has the 60's Slim Taper, and the Std. SG has the larger 50's neck carve. And while I know tone is subjective, I find the '57 Classics better sounding (to my ears) than the 490R and 498T. But that's easily rectified by swapiing out to what you may prefer in the bridge, neck or both positions. That said, there SG std. is a fine guitar for several hundred less which may be a make or break for may people's budgets.

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Besides the neck profile and pickup issue' date=' I used to think that a

61RI was a guitar with a higher quality than SG Std. After the trip to

2 local GCs yesterday, I changed my mind. The new 61 RI is

NO BETTER than the Std. [/quote']

I never really understood why the '61RI was more expensive anyway (small pickguard and less neck-joint work should drop the price...and I don't think nickel-vs-chrome would be THAT much of a boost on the price). Technically, since they're kinda' cheaping-out on the '61 by cutting corners on the beveling and since they no longer consistently possess 1-piece bodies, they shouldn't cost any more than the Standard. Because they're basically just two versions of essentially the same model, just a vague representation of "early 60's" or "late 60's" Standards.

 

61 RI used to have one piece body. No more.

It used to have deeper cutaways around the horns. Gone now.

Now the 61 RI and Std have the same 2 piece body with the

same shallow cutaways.

Yeah' date=' Gibson's neglect on the cutaway sculpting/bevels on the '61 is pathetic, and along with the poor finishwork (color AND quality on the ones I've seen lately) it's just not begging me to give a crap enough to whip out the Mastercard, ya' know?

 

Why pay more money for 61 RI?

"well, 61 RIs have better pickups... blah blah..." No they don't.

I think both the "490" series and '57 Classics are okay, but I don't think the Classics are superior necessarily, just a different flavor.

 

Anyone else wanna' remind some of the Gibson employees who troll these posts that it's kinda' their responsibility to convey these concerns and stuff to their respective departments?

 

H-Bomb

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Yeah' date=' Gibson's neglect on the cutaway sculpting/bevels on the '61 is pathetic, and along with the poor finishwork (color AND quality on the ones I've seen lately) it's just not begging me to give a crap enough to whip out the Mastercard, ya' know?

Anyone else wanna' remind some of the Gibson employees who troll these posts that it's kinda' their responsibility to convey these concerns and stuff to their respective departments?

 

H-Bomb

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H-Bomb, I am with on this 110%. While I have no problem paying extra for the '61 RI (I do after all prefer the '57 Classics), your point on the finish is very much on target. Ive seen real good ones and, well, no so real good examples (or ones that appealed to my eyes). Of course we're talking looks here not sound or feel, but for a reissue, looks gotta count! While searching can be a pain, I don't mind waiting for the right one, new or used. By the way, put me down also as a vote for you to be on the rehashing of the '61 RI committee, should one ever come to be...:D

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LPDEN' date=' not that it matters.

 

That thing sure had a pretty back though, didn't it?

 

Murph.[/quote']

 

Sure did... But it also had a bit of finish damage on the edge that I didn't notice ar first either.

 

On the topic of finding another, I have to go back and read HBomb's points again about the 2000 model differences...

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