identify Could this hummingbird be a gibson?

[pnx]

Hello, my girlfriend has a old hummingbird-style acoustic that once belonged to her dad. It should be from at least 1970 where her dad got it. Its heavily repaired with a fixed broken neck and scraped of serial number of some sort (look at the pictures). I think it is still the original neck just repaired.

There is no label in the sound hole or markings on the head stock or tuners (looks like vintage style tuners tho).

Would be cool if someone could identify that its most likely a gibson instead of a cheap knockoff (although I think it might be considering the lack of labels. )

Images:

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[jchabalk]

Some more pictures of the overall guitar - as well as the headstock - would be useful. Parts of it look good, parts of it looks suspicious (aka: not gibson) it's tough to tell from the images though.

[E-minor7]

A no vote from here

[62burst]

Even if scraped off, some photos of where any identifying markings were would be of help. Was there an era when 'Birds were sporting a 3-screw truss rod?

Never cared to learn what sort of rosette was supposed to be on them, but it seems like this one should have another white-black-white ring around the soundhole (?). And contour of the pickguard usually makes an arc closer to the bridge before coming up under the strings. 

Tuners are certainly vintage- historically correct. . .  for those seen on copies of more costly guitars.

[zombywoof]

My first thought looking at the strings was I would be getting a tetanus shot before I played them.   While I am far from an expert on later-period HBs, the last year for the split bock markers and ADJ saddle bridge would have been early-1970 which jibes with the best guess of when the guitar was purchased.  That said, the 3 screw TRC and tuners (at least based on the buttons) are not what you would expect to find.    The rosette though does look right as it did not gain the innermost multi-ply ring until Gibson went with the solid position markers.    

[bobouz]

A 3-screw TRC was utilized by Gibson in the ‘70s, but not sure of the exact years.

No logo or label seems very suspect- need better photos.

[slimt]

No....   wheres the tulip on the face of the headstock? 

[E-minor7]

The tuners turn me off, , , they are so cheap-copyish. 

But futher from the horse am I thrown when looking at the adjustable saddle combined with the era it is supposed to come from.  Just didn't happen, did it. . 

And hey, , , what's happening at the 13th-14th fret.  Could I be too early-morning-lame to get point. 

 

[62burst]

Black Panzer tape- is it one way to tame that dreaded 14th fret hump ?

. . . and check the 1/4-round curve up to the pins on the bridge:

 

[slimt]

Mann guitars had those parts. Ibanez also.  

[olie]

4 hours ago, slimt said:

Mann guitars had those parts. Ibanez also.  

I had an Ibanez copy back in the late 60's-early 70's and it was no Hummingbird but it wasn't all that bad ,for the money.

[j45nick]

The nut looks pretty crude as well: square-cut.  I don't know much about 1970's Gibsons, but a lot of things just don't look right. Better photos might help, so we can see details in an undistorted fashion.

[zombywoof]

17 hours ago, bobouz said:

A 3-screw TRC was utilized by Gibson in the ‘70s, but not sure of the exact years.

No logo or label seems very suspect- need better photos.

 

Like J45nick 1970s Gibsons are not exactly my bailiwick.  But the position markers indicate a  pre-1971 guitar  Considering the lack of a logo and seral number as well as what based on the buttons may be incorrect tuners the possibility that the TRC is not original is not all that far fetched

Edited December 27, 2019 by zombywoof

[zombywoof]

3 hours ago, olie said:

I had an Ibanez copy back in the late 60's-early 70's and it was no Hummingbird but it wasn't all that bad ,for the money.

 

If I recall the Ibanez Concord  had a laminate body.  Word was in the 1970s Ibanez copies of Gbsons were better than the Gibson originals.

Edited December 27, 2019 by zombywoof