FemmeParallell Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 16 hours ago, cody78 said: Some/ most of them are available right now in the UK, so if you're in the US I would imagine they are out there too already? im in Mexico, so i dont know if they are in the US store already, hope someone can confirm,,,that way i can plan on going to try them out! hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) On 1/17/2020 at 6:04 PM, mihcmac said: Well... I looks Gibson cleaned house on quite a few Epiphone models, the Blueshawk, Nighthawk, Bolt-on Neck guitars and Elitist didn't seem to make the cut, to name a few.. If you go back into the Lounge, mihcmac, and click on the "Full Walk Through the Gibson, Epi, Kramer..." thread posted by Rabs you will find that it seems as though there will be an Epi version of the Nighthawk coming out - and the Nancy Wislon Signature model at that. As mentioned in the other thread they only part-mention the guitar as they passed it by (name-drop 17:14 and you see it very briefly at the 17:42 mark)... Pip. Edited January 24, 2020 by pippy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, pippy said: If you go back into the Lounge, mihcmac, and click on the "Full Walk Through the Gibson, Epi, Kramer..." thread posted by Rabs you will find that it seems as though there will be an Epi version of the Nighthawk coming out - and the Nancy Wislon Signature model at that. As mentioned in the other thread they only part-mention the guitar as they passed it by (name-drop 17:14 and you see it very briefly at the 17:42 mark)... Pip. I'm glad the Hawk design survived, the 25.5" scale neck and the contoured, kind of LP style, body make for a very comfortable guitar. I was disappointed that the Blueshawk didn't seem to make it as it was, to me, one of the best P90 guitars to evolve, with improvements over the Gibson version. Edited January 24, 2020 by mihcmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twang Gang Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) I don't quite get it. The Epiphone headstock was to me what set the guitar apart (in appearance) from the Gibson guitars, so I don't see the big deal about making the headstocks look a little more like a Gibson, but not the same. As to the Texan being built in Bozeman I'm sure it will be a quality guitar, but the Andertons vid suggest it will have a Gibson Bozeman like price tag. As Epiphone was always the less expensive alternative to Gibson I don't see the point of that either - just buy a real Gibson. But as mentioned they can do whatever they want so if it makes the Epiphone brand more popular that's great. As to the "Inspired by Gibson" slogan that seems the most ridiculous to me as isn't that what Epiphones have been for many many years? Edited January 24, 2020 by Twang Gang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Twang Gang said: I don't quite get it. The Epiphone headstock was to me what set the guitar apart (in appearance) from the Gibson guitars, so I don't see the big deal about making the headstocks look a little more like a Gibson, but not the same. As to the Texan being built in Bozeman I'm sure it will be a quality guitar, but the Andertons vid suggest it will have a Gibson Bozeman like price tag. As Epiphone was always the less expensive alternative to Gibson I don't see the point of that either - just by a real Gibson. But as mentioned they can do whatever they want so if it makes the Epiphone brand more popular that's great. As to the "Inspired by Gibson" slogan that seems the most ridiculous to me as isn't that what Epiphones have been for many many years? The new Inspired by Gibson Epiphones are using an older Epiphone headstock design, like what was used on the WildKat or some of the Texans and a few others... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Scales Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Twang Gang said: As Epiphone was always the less expensive alternative to Gibson I don't see the point of that either - just by a real Gibson. But as mentioned they can do whatever they want so if it makes the Epiphone brand more popular that's great. As to the "Inspired by Gibson" slogan that seems the most ridiculous to me as isn't that what Epiphones have been for many many years? Well actually that's not entirely correct - in the 50s and throughout the 60's Gibson built all Epi's in the same USA factories to the same quality specs by the same people to the Gibson branded guitars, with some models pretty much identical (most hollows, semis) and some different shapes (most solids). They sold at virtually the same prices and lined up much like say Buick and Oldmobile cars might have at the time. the 'inspired by Gibson' could be a legal thing to combat other makers saying..."well they obviously don't care that much about protecting the 'trademark' headstock design...."but I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twang Gang Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Sorry, I never followed Epiphone that closely and was not aware of the older headstocks that they are apparently going back to. And wasn't aware that the price points were about the same as Gibson back in the day. The only Epi I ever owned was a used acoustic I picked up in a trade in the mid 80s and it was made overseas. Pretty good guitar for the price, but the neck had been shimmed a few times and I traded it off as it would not intonate properly. Hopefully these revisions to the design will invigorate the brand and will stop people ignorant of the brand (like me) from thinking they just make low-end guitars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Scales Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Hi TG - check out the 60's Epi's - they are quite interesting and as I say same factory, builders, materials, quality and price as the Gibsons of the time. Some solids near identical (my 61 Melody Maker the same as an Epiphone Olympic Special) and my 69 Epi Olympic (which has Epi's unique mini humbucker) very different shape to an SG. They tend to be less expensive to buy now than the Gibson equivalent and probably sold less so Gibson took the opportunity to make them in Asia and combat the Japanese 'cheapies' from the 70's on. For example - the Beatles' Casinos were like a Gibson ES330 at the time. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) Here is a 58 Epiphone Coronet... Epiphones first solid body, built in Kalamazoo, I think... Compared to a new Epiphone SG Special Headstock. Or this Wildkat version that seems to have disappeared from the lineup... Edited January 24, 2020 by mihcmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cody78 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 People interested in Epi headstocks should read Walter Carter's 'The Epiphone Guitar Book' and there you will see that the (now old) clipped ear design was a slight variant of an old Epi design pre dating the Gibson ownership years. This new one is just another style of Epiphone headstock from the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhead Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 I like that Epiphone is making changes to their lineup like this. The guitars look great, and the prices do too. Gonna try to snag me a couple different models this year for sure! ROCK ON! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 On one of the Gibson videos I just watched about the acoustic line, the two guys who work for Gibson said the Texans are going to be made in Bozeman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretplay Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 No Casino, that's a surprise. I think Casino when I think Epiphone and being a copy of Gibsons ES 330 I would have thought it would be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, fretplay said: No Casino, that's a surprise. I think Casino when I think Epiphone and being a copy of Gibsons ES 330 I would have thought it would be there. The new USA Casino... Reverb article on the 2020 Casino Edited January 26, 2020 by mihcmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) The new headstock is attached to the neck using a Scarf Joint for the new Epiphones built at the Gibson Qingdao Factory in China. The previous Clipped Ear headstock and neck were primarily one piece since 2005 when the Gibson factory in China opened. The new guitars may get one piece construction once they have retooled to make the new headstock and neck together. Perhaps Epiphone has a large stock of necks with the wrong headstock. However, the Scarf Joint is a very strong way of attaching the headstock to a neck that even Gibson has used on certain models.. The image above is a 2020 Epiphone SG Standard. This used to be one way of spotting fakes.. Edited March 24, 2020 by mihcmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 I hope they're as close as possible to the Originals. Otherwise what's really the point.... Plenty of good Asian versions around the Planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Larsongs said: I hope they're as close as possible to the Originals. Otherwise what's really the point.... Plenty of good Asian versions around the Planet. I'm pretty sure they are very close to the previous Qingdao built Epiphones with the exception of the new headstock for those lucky enough to get it. However new USA Epiphones could be quite different.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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