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The price is essentially the same as that of a standard J-45.

So I guess the question becomes, do you want your roundshoulder in a long or short scale?

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That is interesting.  In a corporate world that absolutely loathes competition Gibson is further confusing the market by competing heavily with themselves. 

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There even giving China the serial numbers so they can start to make Chiphones. Wait aren't some Epi's made there anyway?

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Originally, The Epiphone Co.'s. Guitars weren't lesser quality, cheaper Offshore built versions compared to Gibsons or whoever... That was a relatively recent change, I believe, after Henry took over... 

I see nothing wrong with going back to High Quality built in USA Epiphones.. 

The Guy who wants an ES330 will buy a Gibson. The Guy who wants a comparable quality & content USA Casino will be able to buy one.. Finally..

Same thing with a Gibson J-45 or a comparable quality & content USA Epi Texan... 

It offers Musicians more options for top quality Built in USA Guitars. I see nothing wrong with that...

 

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1 hour ago, Sgt. Pepper said:

There even giving China the serial numbers so they can start to make Chiphones. Wait aren't some Epi's made there anyway?

 

 Yeah, but if you buy one of those you have to self isolate for 7 days.

 

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24 minutes ago, merciful-evans said:

 

 Yeah, but if you buy one of those you have to self isolate for 7 days.

 

I thought it was 14. I think the truss rod tool is from China and guys have been smelling them. Go get quarantined now.

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44 minutes ago, Larsongs said:

Originally, The Epiphone Co.'s. Guitars weren't lesser quality, cheaper Offshore built versions compared to Gibsons or whoever... That was a relatively recent change, I believe, after Henry took over... 

I see nothing wrong with going back to High Quality built in USA Epiphones.. 

The Guy who wants an ES330 will buy a Gibson. The Guy who wants a comparable quality & content USA Casino will be able to buy one.. Finally..

Same thing with a Gibson J-45 or a comparable quality & content USA Epi Texan... 

It offers Musicians more options for top quality Built in USA Guitars. I see nothing wrong with that...

 

 

I agree, Epiphones were great guitars long time ago.  I think more American guitars is always a good thing

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13 hours ago, rct said:

That is interesting.  In a corporate world that absolutely loathes competition Gibson is further confusing the market by competing heavily with themselves. 

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And soon Gibson will sue themselves for not being authentic enough 😄

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12 hours ago, Larsongs said:

Originally, The Epiphone Co.'s. Guitars weren't lesser quality, cheaper Offshore built versions compared to Gibsons or whoever... That was a relatively recent change, I believe, after Henry took over... 

 

Actually, the switch to outsourcing Epiphone production to pacific rim countries took place in 1970, at the front end of Norlin’s ownership.

The original Epiphone Company was historically a direct competitor to Gibson.  After Gibson’s purchase of Epiphone in 1957, Kalamazoo/Gibson-made Epis were constructed with the exact same level of quality as their Gibson counterparts from 1958 to 1969.  Then came the overseas Epi era & “entry level” moniker.

In the ‘90s, there were a few short runs of commemorative USA-made Epis.  In 2000 we saw the release of the John Lee Hooker ‘64 Sheraton & the John Lennon ‘65 Casino, comprising what was called the USA Series - but in actuality, the bodies were made by Terada-Japan (w/nitro finish) & shipped to Nashville for installation of Gibson pickups & hardware.  The Terada-made Elite/Elitist line then came along in 2002, so more & more top quality Epis were once again reaching player’s hands.

Now it seems like we’ve come somewhat full circle, with a few USA-made Epiphones being built as part of regular production.

Very cool, imho.

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1 hour ago, Big Bill said:

Call me shallow, if I'm spending $2.700 I rather it say Gibson on the head-stock. 

CFM for me.

But if you get one you could write Yesterday part 2 on it.

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10 hours ago, bobouz said:

 

Actually, the switch to outsourcing Epiphone production to pacific rim countries took place in 1970, at the front end of Norlin’s ownership.

The original Epiphone Company was historically a direct competitor to Gibson.  After Gibson’s purchase of Epiphone in 1957, Kalamazoo/Gibson-made Epis were constructed with the exact same level of quality as their Gibson counterparts from 1958 to 1969.  Then came the overseas Epi era & “entry level” moniker.

In the ‘90s, there were a few short runs of commemorative USA-made Epis.  In 2000 we saw the release of the John Lee Hooker ‘64 Sheraton & the John Lennon ‘65 Casino, comprising what was called the USA Series - but in actuality, the bodies were made by Terada-Japan (w/nitro finish) & shipped to Nashville for installation of Gibson pickups & hardware.  The Terada-made Elite/Elitist line then came along in 2002, so more & more top quality Epis were once again reaching player’s hands.

Now it seems like we’ve come somewhat full circle, with a few USA-made Epiphones being built as part of regular production.

Very cool, imho.

 

Right. Point being Epi's Top quality USA built & weren't originally Offshore built Budget versions of the more popular USA models...

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3 hours ago, Big Bill said:

Call me shallow, if I'm spending $2.700 I rather it say Gibson on the head-stock. 

It's not shallow at all.. Certain Guitars you might prefer to a Gibson. In other cases you might prefer a Gretsch or a Fender or a Guild or whatever.. At least, I know I do..

The Original USA Epi Casinos sounded fantastic & were high quality Great Guitars! Owning  an equal quality new USA built one, IMO, is every bit as appealing as any Gibson, Gretsch, Fender, Guild etc.

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Hasn't Gibson made an ES-3?? with P-90's. So what is all the fuss about. Plus they are gonna be made in Nashville, by the same guys who make 335's. Isn't it really now just gonna be a Gibson with Epi on the headstock? I think the only thing I can remember that is that is so different on Casino's is the neck is down a bit more so you loose some upper fret access. That's a plus. Not sure if Casino's are full hollows or not?

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4 hours ago, Big Bill said:

Call me shallow, if I'm spending $2.700 I rather it say Gibson on the head-stock. 

Your Shallow.

I had to do it.

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54 minutes ago, Sgt. Pepper said:

Hasn't Gibson made an ES-3?? with P-90's. So what is all the fuss about. Plus they are gonna be made in Nashville, by the same guys who make 335's. Isn't it really now just gonna be a Gibson with Epi on the headstock? I think the only thing I can remember that is that is so different on Casino's is the neck is down a bit more so you loose some upper fret access. That's a plus. Not sure if Casino's are full hollows or not?

 

The ES-330 & Casino are essentially the same fully-hollow beast, and likewise the J-45 & Texan are kissin’ cousins (with the longer scale of the Texan being a noteable difference).

The key factor in all of this is the Beatles connection.  It’s the primary reason Gibson believes it can successfully market either one of these Epi models in a top-tier USA-made version.  And they should have a good feel for all of this.  After all, they’ve been experimenting with assorted versions of these two models for decades.

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The Gibson ES330 was discontinued in 2018... If I recall they were quite a bit more than what the USA Casinos will be priced at... If I recall the recent VOS ES330's for $1000.00 more..

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4 hours ago, Larsongs said:

The Gibson ES330 was discontinued in 2018... If I recall they were quite a bit more than what the USA Casinos will be priced at... If I recall the recent VOS ES330's for $1000.00 more..

 

I played one at Andertons 5 years ago. I liked it a lot. Lovely balance & feel. Eventually I got the 'equivalent' Epi Casino Coupe, but traded it in later due to its instability. 

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I just looked and GC and Sweetwater have them. Sam Ash did not. SA only had the imported ones right now.

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9 hours ago, merciful-evans said:

 

I played one at Andertons 5 years ago. I liked it a lot. Lovely balance & feel. Eventually I got the 'equivalent' Epi Casino Coupe, but traded it in later due to its instability. 

I'm not familiar with a hollow body, P90, USA Gibson Guitar the same size as the Asian Epi Casino Coupe with P90's? Did or does such a Guitar exist? 

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1 hour ago, Larsongs said:

I'm not familiar with a hollow body, P90, USA Gibson Guitar the same size as the Asian Epi Casino Coupe with P90's? Did or does such a Guitar exist? 

 

Yes, there was one.  It was the ES-390:  fully hollow, P90s, trapeze tailpiece, and small 339 body size.  I believe it was produced from 2014 to 2016.

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21 minutes ago, bobouz said:

 

Yes, there was one.  It was the ES-390:  fully hollow, P90s, trapeze tailpiece, and small 339 body size.  I believe it was produced from 2014 to 2016.

I don't know how I didn't see them? One with a Bigsby would be very cool! Slightly lather than a Les Paul Light weight. I'd love to run across one..

Sorry to derail, Back to the Thread

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I was in GC yesterday they did not have one yet, at least at the one in Virginia Beach. 

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