Sgt. Pepper Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) Anyone see that Heritage is counter-sueing Gibson and say they won't be bullied by them. I have 2 friends that have Heritage guitars and say they are top notch. https://guitar.com/news/were-not-going-to-be-bullied-heritage-guitars-releases-statement-on-gibson-lawsuit/ Edited March 16, 2020 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFord Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Gibson has all kind of lawsuits going on at the moment. That's because the body shapes are so iconic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle fester Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) I feel Gibson is creating a lot of bad publicity fighting for their body shapes. I say let whoever wants to copy a shape do it, it may be a great copy, or not so great copy of a Gibson, but it's a copy regardless and it's only a Gibson if it says it on the headstock. Having said that, and although I'm not a great fan of the current publicity campaigns - with respect to builds and quality, i feel the new mgt has done a good job at making the line up more understandable, and the impression I have, mostly from comments on this forum is overall quality has been consistently high, which is most important. Edited March 17, 2020 by billroy fineman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 🙁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eracer_Team Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Gibson released a statement saying they're not suing Heritage Guitar They said they "reminded Heritage of their contract they signed when the two split up" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 I own well over 50 copyrights. I've known people who fought for patents. Never messed with a trademark, but looked into it once. We do these things to protect our work. Stealing other peoples work is not right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly campbell Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 exactly like the chinese do constantly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) Didn't Heritage start after Gibson left Kalamazoo and left all their machines there cause Gibson did not what to move them. They have been making guitars with those shapes since 1984 and now 36 years later they have an issue with it? Edited March 17, 2020 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 The current owners are not using typical daily business rationale to make their decisions. Gibson is a warm body out of which they want to do only one thing, recoup the money they put into the company over long time to keep it afloat. So any port in a revenue storm becomes something to project which creates a timeline that can bring an end to their stewardship. They don't want a guitar company, they want their money back. rct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 6 hours ago, kelly campbell said: exactly like the chinese do constantly But god damn it they make a hell of a General Tso's Chicken!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Gibson Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Big Bill said: But god damn it they make a hell of a General Tso's Chicken!! A personal favorite of mine. Been buying it off the Schwan truck,it's pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 12 hours ago, SteveFord said: That's because the body shapes are so iconic. Don't forget Authentic too 😄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 42 minutes ago, Rabs said: Don't forget Authentic too 😄 I thought Gibson wanted to be a life style brand, does alternative count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFord Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Alternative, Authentic, Iconic. The Big Three! Okay, Overpriced. The Big Four! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 20 hours ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Didn't Heritage start after Gibson left Kalamazoo and left all their machines there cause Gibson did not what to move them. They have been making guitars with those shapes since 1984 and now 36 years later they have an issue with it? basically yes, that's what happened when Gibson left town. Since they were all out of jobs when that happened, they pulled together and decided to continue on, They got some funding which enabled them to keep doing what they'd been doing all along. I had a Heritage 575, (pretty much an ES-175) it was a nice axe. I wound up trading it for a Taylor acoustic. I had a few techs tell me they thought the fret slots were a bit off from where they should have been... no idea about that, they could have been right It never intonated properly. I've a buddy who has a real nice late 90s Les Paul, it's VERY nice. Another pal with a mid 80s LEs Paul with a one piece top.. kind of unusual, also a great guitar. Their Customer Service has always been incredibly good too. They are still a proud bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, kidblast said: basically yes, that's what happened when Gibson left town. Since they were all out of jobs when that happened, they pulled together and decided to continue on, They got some funding which enabled them to keep doing what they'd been doing all along. I had a Heritage 575, (pretty much an ES-175) it was a nice axe. I wound up trading it for a Taylor acoustic. I had a few techs tell me they thought the fret slots were a bit off from where they should have been... no idea about that, they could have been right It never intonated properly. I've a buddy who has a real nice late 90s Les Paul, it's VERY nice. Another pal with a mid 80s LEs Paul with a one piece top.. kind of unusual, also a great guitar. Their Customer Service has always been incredibly good too. They are still a proud bunch. My buddy has a 575 and says it kills. I have or ask my other friend what he has. He told me a few times just can't remember. I've only ever seen one in my life. I think I plunked on it. It was used and I think is was whateve Heritage's model is that is comp to Gibson's 335. So maybe a 535? Edited March 18, 2020 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Sgt. Pepper said: My buddy has a 575 and says it kills. I have or ask my other friend what he has. He told me a few times just can't remember. I've only ever seen one in my life. I think I plunked on it. It was used and I think is was whateve Heritage's model is that is comp to Gibson's 335. So maybe a 535? yes, you are correct.. the H535 is their "335". I did really like the 575, If it would have been cleaner with intonation, I'd probably still have it. The pickups were pretty good, rest of the hardware /Electronics was as good as any USA made guitar I've ever had. The fit and finish was excellent Highly flamed maple, in Natural finish,, it was gorgeous. One cool story about these guys: I called their customer support about the intonation on my 575 as I was beginning to give up on it. Once I started asking a few questions, the rep says "Hang on a sec.." About 30 seconds pass and "Hi, this is xxxxx what can I do to help"... That was one of the guys that builds those guitars. Gave me some advice and options and even sent me a new bridge that he mentioned was a slight different cut from what I wound up with. That was a bit better. But it was never "right" to my ears. Anyway, I thought it was pretty cool to call the company and instead of some customer service rep that is just working of a set of responses, get to talk to one of their build guys,, Who would know the situation better than someone like that? No one... Edited March 18, 2020 by kidblast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, kidblast said: yes, you are correct.. the H535 is their "335". I did really like the 575, If it would have been cleaner with intonation, I'd probably still have it. The pickups were pretty good, rest of the hardware /Electronics was as good as any USA made guitar I've ever had. The fit and finish was excellent Highly flamed maple, in Natural finish,, it was gorgeous. One cool story about these guys: I called their customer support about the intonation on my 575 as I was beginning to give up on it. Once I started asking a few questions, the rep says "Hang on a sec.." About 30 seconds pass and "Hi, this is xxxxx what can I do to help"... That was one of the guys that builds those guitars. Gave me some advice and options and even sent me a new bridge that he mentioned was a slight different cut from what I wound up with. That was a bit better. But it was never "right" to my ears. Anyway, I thought it was pretty cool to call the company and instead of some customer service rep that is just working of a set of responses, get to talk to one of their build guys,, Who would know the situation better than someone like that? No one... Companies like that are great I remember calling Lindy Fralin to ask about some pickups and the guy who answered the phone said hang on let me transfer you to Lindy and I actually spoke to Lindy, and my buddy did it as well. When you take the time and you're the head of the company and you will talk to people about your product your for real and care. Edited March 18, 2020 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Companies like that are great I remember calling Lindy Fralin to ask about some pickups and the guy who answered the phone said hang on let me transfer you to Lindy and I actually spoke to Lindy, and my buddy did it as well. When you take the time and you're the head of the company and you will talk to people about your product your for real and care. I have heard the same from others who have his pickups. Apparently Mr Fralin is very interested in direct contact with his customers. That guy knows his stuff too. It's awesome when guys like this do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, kidblast said: I have heard the same from others who have his pickups. Apparently Mr Fralin is very interested in direct contact with his customers. That guy knows his stuff too. It's awesome when guys like this do that. I showed up at Lindy's small shop in Richmond around eight years ago just to have a look around. I ended up sitting down with him for about an hour trying out and talking about his pickups while he wound pickups and talked with customers over his hands-free telephone... a very personable guy. I now have a set of his P-92s in an Epi Dot, a set of Steel Pole 42s in an AS Tele, and a set of Jazz bass pickups in a MIM bass, and I am very pleased with them all. As far as Gibson law suits, it seems to me they should concentrate on making quality guitars, and be thankful their brand and their history sells, not their value or their PR. Edited March 18, 2020 by zigzag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, zigzag said: As far as Gibson law suits, it seems to me they should concentrate on making quality guitars, and be thankful their brand and their history sells, not their value or their PR. the builders are still building, and the lawyers are still lawyering,, dats just da way dis woiks... (not that I disagree with your post.. ) Edited March 18, 2020 by kidblast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Meet the new boss, Same as the old boss. Lawyers gonna lawyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, zigzag said: Meet the new boss, Same as the old boss. Lawyers gonna lawyer. All true.. All true.. as Warren Zevon would say "send lawyers guns and money... the sh--t has hit the fan!!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) I live in Newport News and one day when I go to Richmond I need to pop in. When your name is on it you better be proud of it and stand buy it. Whats the name of the guy who own that guitar company in Nashville and Bozeman? Last I checked no one is playing a Curleigh. He's just a dude in jeans and a leather jacket who had the money to keep it going and keep suing. Edited March 18, 2020 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 Talked to my buddy yesterday and he has a H-535 (ES-355 clone) and said he would sell his American G&L, American Fender, and his Gibson LP before he got rid of his Heritage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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