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40 minutes ago, fortyearspickn said:

This article is over a month old.  Strange we had to rely on The Gothamist to do this 'investigative reporting'.     

Actually I posted the same story from other sources such as CNN, Reuters and The Guardian.  Scroll up. 

Article is over a month old - thus I guess it never happened.    I can dig up some old articles about 9/11.  Pretty sure that happened. 

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You know, there are some really interesting things we are seeing as a result of the pandemic.  

I had two patients when  we were at our "peak" here.  One woman in her 60s, another in her 70s.  Coincidentally both on the same day.  They both had an odd looking pneumonia/pneumonitis.  They were both pretty sick and both ended up in the ICU for a few days.  At that point, anyone that sick got tested for everything.  They both ended up testing negative for Covid and influenza.  We also did viral respiratory panels on them which tests for a variety of relatively rare viruses and oddly one had RSV.  That's a virus that causes bronchiolitis in young children.  Adults can get it but it is typically just like a common cold as far as severity.  The other person tested negative for everything.  So who knows what that was.  Maybe a false negative test?  Anyway, point is that it's not always easy to know what someone has just based on symptoms and "what's going around".

Other things like people with insanely low oxygen levels but minimal to no symptoms.  Normal respiratory rates and other vital signs, awake alert and comfortable.  Strange.  Apparently they are not oxygenating very well (but well enough), but, they are able to blow off CO2 relatively normally.  Weird stuff.

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1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

"So who knows what that was."  

"Strange" 

"Weird stuff"

 

... when a doctor starts saying the above, RUN cuz their guess is as good as yours.  😄

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30 minutes ago, ghost_of_fl said:

... when a doctor starts saying the above, RUN cuz their guess is as good as yours.  😄

 

It's funny that we would disagree on this one.  To me, the far more scary physician is the one who thinks they know it all or that they've seen it all.  The one who is so confident they fail to consider all possibilities.  The one who accepts dogma.  You don't have to be a doctor for long to realize that medicine is constantly changing and there is always something you have't seen before or defies what you thought you knew.  Text books are one thing.  Real life is something else.

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4 hours ago, ghost_of_fl said:

Actually I posted the same story from other sources such as CNN, Reuters and The Guardian.  Scroll up. 

Article is over a month old - thus I guess it never happened.    I can dig up some old articles about 9/11.  Pretty sure that happened. 

Read the cnn one. (Didn't want to 'sign in' for The Guardian, sorry)  It said the same thing - cut and paste and quoted The Gothamist story.  It's what journalists call  "The Echo Chamber" . A small, silly blog posts a story based on what some bureaucrat says - and another larger one repeats it. Then a really large one like CNN, until it gains traction.     You didn't address my actual point - This single 'report' from a Medical Examiners employee is based on her PRESUMPTION.   None Of The Deaths Which Occurred At Home were tested for CoronaVirus.  The Wishful thinking on her part is mirrored in the story where the bureaucrat from Columbia Emergency Preparation (or whatever) says he believes ALL DEATHS should be counted as CV, even cancer and stroke.  I suppose he left out Gun Shot Wounds, because that would have just seemed too outrageous. Even to the sheep that read  "The Gothamist".

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I worked for a 6 doctor practice at one point.  Good doctors as far as I know, but I never heard any of them ever utter anything similar to the above around me or their patients.   So I guess that means they were "scary".    All 6 of them. 

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3 minutes ago, ghost_of_fl said:

I worked for a 6 doctor practice at one point.  Good doctors as far as I know, but I never heard any of them ever utter anything similar to the above around me or their patients.   So I guess that means they were "scary".    All 6 of them. 

 

4 minutes ago, ghost_of_fl said:

I worked for a 6 doctor practice at one point.  Good doctors as far as I know, but I never heard any of them ever utter anything similar to the above around me or their patients.   So I guess that means they were "scary".    All 6 of them. 

And you heard every word that they said to every patient?  No you didn't.  Not even close. They could have said it millions of times and you would have no way of knowing. Your arguments are baseless and thoughtless.  

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Umm.. I was also their patient.  Let's just say I'd be surprised to hear that from any of them.  I'll leave it at that. 

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12 minutes ago, ghost_of_fl said:

Umm.. I was also their patient.  Let's just say I'd be surprised to hear that from any of them.  I'll leave it at that. 

 

You can't  'leave it at that'.   You trounced a statement made by a doc - by presuming to speak for 6  you did office work for, and coughed once or twice I assume.   I worked for the Post Office one summer.  I can't smack down a statement made by a Mail Carrier,  by pretending to  speak for all Mail Carrier, because I worked with 6.  

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Seems in Oz we have 66 people in hospitals (27 in ICU) and maybe a couple of deaths per day in nursing homes. Local containment approaches to breakouts invoked as they occur.

Government now shifting focus to getting much more business open and a million unemployed back into work with reopening structures and support information for businesses and employees to be released on Friday and target timelines by business type. Schools widely reopening in phased approach by year group. Social distancing measures remain major part of strategy for foreseeable future.

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1 hour ago, ghost_of_fl said:

Umm.. I was also their patient.  Let's just say I'd be surprised to hear that from any of them.  I'll leave it at that. 

 

And would it surprise you to know that doctors often speak differently among themselves than around staff and patients?  Surely you've thought of that.

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Pennsyltucky is up to 50,957 (865 new cases) with 554 new deaths since yesterday.

My little county is up 14 people since yesterday to 716 cases, the place where they had that astroturf movement Liberate PA shindig is up 43 since yesterday to 695. 

Slackers!

Along with blood clots and strokes for the middle aged it also seems to be triggering all sorts of problems in children although all that appears to be preliminary findings.  They first noticed the kids in England and now same deal in NYC.  

That bat on a Ritz cracker sure looks good, but no, I really should watch my girlish figure.  Motorcycle season is coming up, after all.

 

 

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1 hour ago, SteveFord said:

That bat on a Ritz cracker sure looks good, but no, I really should watch my girlish figure.  Motorcycle season is coming up, after all.

Sure hope you make it farther than that epic ride you took that one fateful day. Should have brought another guitar down with me. Love my D-15M, but I'm getting sick of looking at the same guitar. Rush 2112 should be here tomorrow and Roxy Music's first should be here Friday. What to get next...? Maybe Red and Larks' Tongues.

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I wonder if there is a way to calculate the number of unreported infections there are?

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2 minutes ago, mihcmac said:

I wonder if there is a way to calculate the number of unreported infections there are?

 

Yes, that would involve testing for antibodies.  Some of that has already been done and there will be more.  It is likely a  very large number based on some of the early results.  Since they won't be able to test all 325 million people in the US, they'll have to test samples and make estimates based on that.

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2 hours ago, SteveFord said:

Along with blood clots and strokes for the middle aged it also seems to be triggering all sorts of problems in children although all that appears to be preliminary findings.  They first noticed the kids in England and now same deal in NYC.  

 

Kawasaki disease and COVID-19

New York City’s Health Department issued an alert yesterday describing a pediatric “multi-system inflammatory syndrome,” that is potentially associated with COVID-19. 

 

Fifteen children in New York City, aged two to fifteen, have been hospitalized with the syndrome, that includes features of Kawasaki disease or shock. All of the patients had a history of fever, and more than half reported a rash, abdominal pain, vomiting, or diarrhea. Less than half reported respiratory symptoms. Although only four patients tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 by PCR, six others had positive serology indicating a previous infection. Five patients required mechanical ventilation. No deaths have been reported.

The alert followed similar findings in the UK, and other European countries, and advised clinicians to be vigilant for signs of Kawasaki disease, which can be challenging to diagnose. 

Kawasaki disease is an acute vasculitis affecting small to medium-sized vessels, that is characterized by features of systemic inflammation with mucocutaneous involvement. It most commonly presents with fever, conjunctivitis, oral changes, a polymorphous rash, and peripheral extremity changes. The condition can lead to cardiac complications, including coronary artery aneurysms, myocardial infarction, and arrhythmias.

 

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39 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Yes, that would involve testing for antibodies.  Some of that has already been done and there will be more.  It is likely a  very large number based on some of the early results.  Since they won't be able to test all 325 million people in the US, they'll have to test samples and make estimates based on that.

 

 I have been hearing that in NY they are finding a very high number of untracked shut-in deaths, at east as many as have been officially reported.

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You post lots of things.  Sort of the shotgun approach.  There are also stories of 1,700  more deceased found in nursing homes in The City.   So, one story, repeated 3 or 4 times - does not merit automatic credibility. 

Rather that complain about being called a liar (can you point to that comment? )   maybe you should answer the question I've posed twice to you - on why untested deaths which occurred at peoples homes,  should be assumed to be Corona Virus?    The City Councilman who heads the Health Committee doesn't know if  'probable'  (ie. they had symptoms but weren't tested) cases are included in the Corona Virus death counts.   NYC clearly doesn't know what they are doing.  If you want to modify your lifestyle based on rags reporting  'experts'  who feel we should count cardiac deaths as CV related, because the Corona Virus indirectly affected the patient ....   feel free to.  

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Hmmmm. evening news not so good..

 

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You know, Senor Pepper, it might be time for me to do some guitar shopping.

I still have to wait for this wretched virus to get done bumping us off and then I can pick up that Triumph I'm buying  (why do I have 7 Triumphs, who knows) and then I'm thinking a red Firebird VII. 

I just checked eBay and Reverb and currently the prices are stupidly high.  One will come along, though.  It's not like they only made one of them.

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18 minutes ago, SteveFord said:

You know, Senor Pepper, it might be time for me to do some guitar shopping.

I still have to wait for this wretched virus to get done bumping us off and then I can pick up that Triumph I'm buying  (why do I have 7 Triumphs, who knows) and then I'm thinking a red Firebird VII. 

I just checked eBay and Reverb and currently the prices are stupidly high.  One will come along, though.  It's not like they only made one of them.

 

Beast of an instrument - no guitar for the faint hearted, that.

kudos man! [thumbup]

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13 hours ago, mihcmac said:

I wonder if there is a way to calculate the number of unreported infections there are?

Not to be a wise a.., but how if they are unreported? How many people are walking around right now with it and do not know it?

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What you can do is approximate based on existing data .... And then the whole world tells you why you're wrong. 

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