AXE® Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Do they still teach spelling or hand writing ? Like calligraphy... Just asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jantha Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Yea, but it doesn't seem like a huge priority. Speed reading and "nonsense words" are what they are really pushing on my kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californiaman Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Only in private schools AXE®. My second grader is learning to use calligraphy "it's really cursive". The list of spelling words is 175 words long broken into groups of 15 words every week. After they master the 175 words on say "list A" they move on to a new list. They do this through out the school year. Public schools are too worried about whether or not the kids read "Johnny Has To Daddies" or "Heather's Other Mommy" to teach them how to write properly and spell correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gvhbngh Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 school sucks *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 My second grader is learning to use calligraphy "it's really cursive". The list of spelling words is 175 words long broken into groups of 15 words every week. After they master the 175 words on say "list A" they move on to a new list. They do this through out the school year. My second grader also does this and he's in public school. Actually I was amazed that he got a 100 on the last test. The spelling test had words such as "fruit" and "flute." But something must happen by the time they get to college. A whopping 25% of our undergraduates (yep 25%!) are on probation at our engineering school! Trust me, school got easier since I went to college, so something is going on here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXE® Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 school sucks *** Case in point . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluemoon Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Public schools are too worried about whether or not the kids read "Johnny Has To Daddies" or "Heather's Other Mommy" to teach them how to write properly and spell correctly. two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myspace.com/jessenoah Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 the problem with schools IMO, is that people lack the desire to learn I am the king of the guilty school "sucks" because the fruits of your labor are not seen until years down the road in a world of "get rich quick" an instant gratifcation, school is a lotta "wasted" time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlekenny Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 the problem with schools IMO' date=' is that people lack the desire to learn [/quote'] +1, if they taught stuff that could easily be used in the real world then I'd probably enjoy school more. I really don't see how tracing the theme of masculinity throughout Ernest Hemingway's works or Learning about completing squares and finding the area of octagons is going to help me get a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daerious Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 +1' date=' if they taught stuff that could easily be used in the real world then I'd probably enjoy school more. I really don't see how tracing the theme of masculinity throughout Ernest Hemingway's works or Learning about completing squares and finding the area of octagons is going to help me get a job.[/quote'] Someday you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Do they still teach spelling or hand writing ? Like calligraphy... Just asking. Generally the pattern in my school district is that handwriting is taught in elementary schools but not emphasized in middle or high schools. As a person with terrible handwriting, I rejoice in this! As for spelling, it is taught throughout all grades. However, the trend is toward teaching it in the context of reading and writing rather than in isolation. Most of our rules have so many exceptions that spelling correctly by a set of rules is quite difficult. Why, for example, is "through" pronounced like "threw" and not like "though"? And yet "enough" is not pronounced "enew" but instead is pronounced like "rough" and "tough". The combination of letters "ough" makes all three sounds. This is maddening if you are trying to learn to spell by rules. I could spell most words correctly by second grade, but I didn't learn to spell well from rules - or even from school. I learned to spell well by reading a lot and growing up in a language-rich environment with parents who cared about me and my development. That describes far too few households today. I could spend all day correcting errors on this forum, many of which are found in posts criticizing the grammar, spelling, or usage, of other posters (such as your use of "hand writing" as two words when it is, in fact, one). However, I do agree that our younger members seem to show more egregious errors than those of us schooled in previous eras. I'm old enough to wonder if I would have done better at their age and young enough to hope that perhaps I would not have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSG_Standard Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 The schools are doing the best job that they can with what they have to work with. Severe misspelling while using a computer is more a sign of laziness than lack of knowledge or skill...IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXE® Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 Generally the pattern in my school district is that handwriting is taught in elementary schools but not emphasized in middle or high schools. As a person with terrible handwriting' date=' I rejoice in this! As for spelling, it is taught throughout all grades. However, the trend is toward teaching it in the context of reading and writing rather than in isolation. Most of our rules have so many exceptions that spelling correctly by a set of rules is quite difficult. Why, for example, is "through" pronounced like "threw" and not like "though"? And yet "enough" is not pronounced "enew" but instead is pronounced like "rough" and "tough". The combination of letters "ough" makes all three sounds. This is maddening if you are trying to learn to spell by rules. I could spell most words correctly by second grade, but I didn't learn to spell well from rules - or even from school. I learned to spell well by reading a lot and growing up in a language-rich environment with parents who cared about me and my development. That describes far too few households today. I could spend all day correcting errors on this forum, many of which are found in posts criticizing the grammar, spelling, or usage, of other posters (such as your use of "hand writing" as two words when it is, in fact, one). However, I do agree that our younger members seem to show more egregious errors than those of us schooled in previous eras. I'm old enough to wonder if I would have done better at their age and young enough to hope that perhaps I would not have. [/quote'] Hold me .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluemoon Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 The schools are doing the best job that they can with what they have to work with. Severe misspelling while using a computer is more a sign of laziness than lack of knowledge or skill...IMHO. Not sure you can blame the schools. Parents need to get their kids reading and interested in books much earlier. I am a terrible speller. It's because I didn't read a lot of books growing up--just Mad magazine and Cracked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXE® Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 I grew up in a fairly affluent family, Father was an Aeronautical engineer(Columbia) Mom was an English major(OU) and they didn't give freely. Homework was a must and was critiqued to the nth degree before anything else. Extra reading was required also outside of basic schoolwork. I look back now and can't thank them enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Severe misspelling while using a computer is more a sign of laziness than lack of knowledge or skill...IMHO. This is an excellent point - especially since many browsers now underline the mistakes in red for you! Saying or writing something well, and correctly, takes time and effort. That is a thoroughness that seems rare in this day of cheap, fast communication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynadude Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 If you hate your kids, or just want to pawn them off to a baby sitter, send them to public school. They'll learn to do drugs, fight, dress and speak like street trash, and lose all sense of the value of a good education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californiaman Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 The schools are doing the best job that they can with what they have to work with. Severe misspelling while using a computer is more a sign of laziness than lack of knowledge or skill...IMHO. Yeah add in the Speakers of Other Languages and you get some interesting stuff. Like: "His the best player on there team". Homophones are a common mistake. You know, words that sound the same but are spelled differently and different meanings. Like Two, too, and to. Knight and night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSG_Standard Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 If you hate your kids' date=' or just want to pawn them off to a baby sitter, send them to public school. They'll learn to do drugs, fight, dress and speak like street trash, and lose all sense of the value of a good education.[/quote'] I don't know brother, I love my kids and could afford to send them to private school. Instead, I send them to public schools, my wife is also a public school teacher. We teach our children right from wrong at home, we do homework with them every day, we talk to them about things that they might see or hear in school and they are thriving. Many public schools, such as the ones in Corpus Christi, have uniforms and dress codes. We are thinking about sending them to private school when they start high school...haven't decided yet. I went to public schools in the '60s and '70s and I learned about drugs and fighting and foul language. My wife went to private schools in the '80s and she learned about drugs, sex and foul language there. It doesn't make much sense to me, to pay for public schools and then to send your kids to private school and pay for that as well. We are fortunate enough to live in a decent area of town, where the houses are more expensive and therefore the schools are a little better, and the kids come from better backgrounds. In the end, I think parenting has more to do with what kids learn than anything else. My .02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I grew up in a fairly affluent family' date=' Father was an Aeronautical engineer(Columbia) Mom was an English major(OU) and they didn't give freely. Homework was a must and was critiqued to the nth degree before anything else.Extra reading was required also outside of basic schoolwork. I look back now and can't thank them enough...[/quote'] Giddy up! In my case we were poor, but educated. When I was born my dad made $3500 a year teaching history in public schools. Later my mom finished her degrees and taught English. The funny thing was, they were not very strict about school work but you had better come to the dinner table prepared to discuss the events of the day. They didn't sweat grades much, but they did not tolerate ignorance, lazy thinking, or apathy. We read; we discussed; we argued. Thanks Mom and Dad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXE® Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 When I was a kid money was printed on rocks ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSG_Standard Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 we used wampum instead of money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluemoon Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 If you hate your kids' date=' or just want to pawn them off to a baby sitter, send them to public school. They'll learn to do drugs, fight, dress and speak like street trash, and lose all sense of the value of a good education.[/quote'] So what do you suggest...home school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynadude Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 So what do you suggest...home school? Either that or private school, and I'm not talking Catholic school. There is a proposal in the works to give parents a $2500 per child tax break if they elect to send their kids to private schools. I hope they will also include home schoolers in that group. I know that most people get through public school, and get a decent education, but that's not true for every kid in every city. A white kid in a black school will be put through pure hell. Been there, done that with my stepson. A bright sweet kid was reduced to being a troubled PITA in one year of junior high in a county school. The same kid got nearly straight As in a private school, and was as good a kid as you could hope for. I don't think I need to get into the dirty details as to why it is rough on a kid in these conditions. People here are quick to accuse others of racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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