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43 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Not so great.

 

Again, you are entitled to that opinion.   I think it's great news and explained why.  🤷‍♂️

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As with any topic these days, there are political implications... how government and private enterprise play into the everyday lives of regular people, and how we see the roles of all of the entities. The government has a role in protecting its citizenry, but where should the line be drawn in protection and intrusion? The real problem is that a pandemic is catastrophic, and like world war, a certain amount of self-sacrifice will certainly be required. All of the optimism in the world is not going to change the realities.  

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The least deaths per day in Italy Sunday since this Chinese virus was unleashed.

Italy is opening parks today.

Bravo!

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17 hours ago, zigzag said:

As with any topic these days, there are political implications... how government and private enterprise play into the everyday lives of regular people, and how we see the roles of all of the entities. The government has a role in protecting its citizenry, but where should the line be drawn in protection and intrusion? The real problem is that a pandemic is catastrophic, and like world war, a certain amount of self-sacrifice will certainly be required. All of the optimism in the world is not going to change the realities.  

 

Bingo. But the death rate is dropping like a rock. Which is positive news and reason to get back to business. 

Just to mention opening up in parts of the Country, where there is little to zero death, causes widespread anger amongst one certain group of people.

Anger.

It's weird.

But, we've got this going our way now.

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Health officials here and around the world are predicting a second wave. Hope they're wrong.

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2 minutes ago, zigzag said:

Health officials here and around the world are predicting a second wave. Hope they're wrong.

I think that as soon as international travel starts up it will start over again, until everyone has had it and either recovered or died.

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1 hour ago, zigzag said:

Health officials here and around the world are predicting a second wave. Hope they're wrong.

 

In the Northern Hemisphere there will be a lull over the summer.  Then there may be a "second wave" when the flu season starts up again.  But it most likely won't be anything like this was.  Too many people have already had it.

I suspect the Southern Hemisphere will likely have a big uptick when their Flu season starts which is basically now.

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6 hours ago, Black Dog said:

I suspect the Southern Hemisphere will likely have a big uptick when their Flu season starts which is basically now.

In Covid? Well schools are recommencing and shops opening so it might well as kids are closer together and more people out and about.

we had predictions that we might have less impactful of a flu season down here this year due to people exercising better hygiene practices and staying home from school/work at the slightest of symptoms thus reducing spread. See what happens I guess.

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2 hours ago, 'Scales said:

In Covid? Well schools are recommencing and shops opening so it might well as kids are closer together and more people out and about.

we had predictions that we might have less impactful of a flu season down here this year due to people exercising better hygiene practices and staying home from school/work at the slightest of symptoms thus reducing spread. See what happens I guess.

 

Yeah, based on how low the numbers are there it doesn't seem like it's quite run it's course yet.  I don't know how much testing you are actually getting done there so that may be an issue.  But, unless it has run through the population and there is large scale immunity I would expect it to surge when the conditions for respiratory viruses improve.  You make a good point that peoples behaviors are going to be different and that may change things a little but I think it's gonna just do it's thing.

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2 hours ago, 'Scales said:

In Covid? Well schools are recommencing and shops opening so it might well as kids are closer together and more people out and about.

we had predictions that we might have less impactful of a flu season down here this year due to people exercising better hygiene practices and staying home from school/work at the slightest of symptoms thus reducing spread. See what happens I guess.

...on this, interestingly our Flu cases in Aust for the month of April were 229 nationally, compared to 18,705 last April according to the New Scientist. We may actually see less deaths from Covid+Flu this year than just for Flu alone last year it says. Hope so!

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2242113-australia-sees-huge-decrease-in-flu-cases-due-to-coronavirus-measures/

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1 minute ago, 'Scales said:

...on this, interestingly our Flu cases in Aust for the month of April were 229 nationally, compared to 18,705 last April according to the New Scientist. We may actually see less deaths from Covid+Flu this year than just for Flu alone last year it says. Hope so!

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2242113-australia-sees-huge-decrease-in-flu-cases-due-to-coronavirus-measures/

 

It's uncharted territory.  We'll see what happens.

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Just now, Black Dog said:

 

It's uncharted territory.  We'll see what happens.

well, they did include a chart. 😁

Our testing rate is about 10% higher than the US, but we just landed 10 million test kits and the necessary technical machines to administer them nationally which will be used for the balance of the year (versus 500k to date). Testing and tracing are a big part of the strategy - we certainly wouldn't have widespread immunity, but have bought the time and space to prepare adequate ICU, PPE, tests, Flu vax etc so that is the strategy here. Its strange how the 'expert community' in different countries informs different strategies. The hope would be that next time we might all employ strategies that have proved themselves after this pandemic is over. We can all do better I'm sure.

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2 hours ago, Murph said:

 

Alternate headline:  Newport Beach Councilman Anticipates Losing Money Due to Park Closures - Willing to Trade Lives for Luxury

Note:  Muldoon filed the lawsuit as a private citizen, and not in his official capacity as a councilman.

He is no longer a Mayor. 

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Some of North Myrtle Beach, SC opened up yesterday. Eating outside only. The old foggies are out in their golf carts in full force. And those bead-dazzelled Yeti mugs have 80 proof in them not Mtn. Dew. Yeah hear come the snowbirds and their diseases. Last weekend I started seeing rental property's with cars parked at them. If your in Walmart with a swimsuit on buying a North Myrtle Beach hoodie, your not form here.

We're playin' in a tent
It's payin the rent
If you pooch a civilian,
It's a major event
In France
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And in the news on all the stations today -  "The Echo Chamber' is repeating as if it were fact  -  a newspaper publishing  an excerpt from a leaked internal document from either CDC or FEMA possibly developed in conjunction with a major teaching hospital, that we MIGHT see 3,000 deaths a day in a month or so.   This type of irresponsible reporting is pouring gasoline on the flames nurtured by politicians who relish the idea of a complete meltdown before November.  ZigZag was correct - in our society, EVERYTHING is political.  We've allowed big government to intrude too far into our lives - when a governor can declare it a crime  to hire a kid to cut your grass.  (I've not heard any cases where HOAs have suspended their 'laws'.)   Any dishonest politician has dozens of models he can pick from to support his narrative.   The big joke, on all of us, is that No One Knows  what the base number is:  "How many people have actually had Corona Virus and not been tested positive?"   Based on different studies - anywhere from 15-20% of us many have had it.  And, there is also no scientifically proved answer to the question of whether you can get it again. Or if children can spread it.  We don't know more than we do know -  ' ignorance' is where the media and politicians take advantage of us. Use to just be lead in our drinking water and forest fires. Now this conflagration. 
 

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Hey Buffy!... We can go to the beach now and play Russian Roulette!

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3 hours ago, fortyearspickn said:

And in the news on all the stations today -  "The Echo Chamber' is repeating as if it were fact  -  a newspaper publishing  an excerpt from a leaked internal document from either CDC or FEMA possibly developed in conjunction with a major teaching hospital, that we MIGHT see 3,000 deaths a day in a month or so.   This type of irresponsible reporting is pouring gasoline on the flames nurtured by politicians who relish the idea of a complete meltdown before November.  ZigZag was correct - in our society, EVERYTHING is political.  We've allowed big government to intrude too far into our lives - when a governor can declare it a crime  to hire a kid to cut your grass.  (I've not heard any cases where HOAs have suspended their 'laws'.)   Any dishonest politician has dozens of models he can pick from to support his narrative.   The big joke, on all of us, is that No One Knows  what the base number is:  "How many people have actually had Corona Virus and not been tested positive?"   Based on different studies - anywhere from 15-20% of us many have had it.  And, there is also no scientifically proved answer to the question of whether you can get it again. Or if children can spread it.  We don't know more than we do know -  ' ignorance' is where the media and politicians take advantage of us. Use to just be lead in our drinking water and forest fires. Now this conflagration. 
 

I agree... 100%

I try to tell certain members of my family this very thing, and I literally get screamed at for being stupid, heartless and insensitive. 

"Experts say..""  what do they know, what if they are all just wrong?   which in fact, they've mostly been wrong with almost all the predictions.

 The worse virus to hit this country was, is and shall forever be the main stream media.   Shut that down, and we'd be in much better shape.

 

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11 minutes ago, kidblast said:

I agree... 100%

I try to tell certain members of my family this very thing, and I literally get screamed at for being stupid, heartless and insensitive. 

"Experts say..""  what do they know, what if they are all just wrong?   which in fact, they've mostly been wrong with almost all the predictions.

 The worse virus to hit this country was, is and shall forever be the main stream media.   Shut that down, and we'd be in much better shape.

 

+1 to that.

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16 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

And now meat rationing in the US.  Bad times.  Sorry, that's not very optimistic.

Interesting, Non-Meat Eaters are said to be easier to control, hmmm, could be the plan...

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I was at a food store today and they were VERY well stocked.  Almost everything was back (including toilet paper finally, but not in huge supply).   Apparently there is a French fry shortage still.   They only rationed the meat when there wasn't enough to go around.  Now they they are in stock, the signs came down immediately. 

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Here's what we do know.

-Covid 19 is very contagious. How contagious? Nobody really knows until more testing can be done. There is a very good chance that many people have a built-in immunity so that many who have the virus never show symptoms... good for those who have it, not so good for many who are exposed to those people.

-Among those who test positive, there appears to be around a 6% mortality rate. For whatever reasons, Blacks, Native Americans, old people, and those with a particular vulnerability, like respiratory issues and diabetes, tend to have a higher mortality rate. 

-Social distancing seems to be fairly effective in reducing the number of cases. Therefore, it would make sense that with increased exposure there will be increased numbers of those who get it and of those who die from it. There is little doubt that if social distancing is relaxed it will result in an upswing of new cases. 

-Until there is a treatment or vaccine, there is no way that the virus will not remain a threat to the health of the general population.

 

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