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As far as I know, the Federal Government has not issued any stay at home order or closure of any specific sectors of the economy.  Only social distancing recommendations and some international travel restrictions.  The States have issued various forms of stay at home orders and business shut downs.  Many of those have been and are being challenged and found to be unconstitutional.  And, yes, we do have a right to disobey unconstitutional orders.  It's called civil disobedience.

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3 hours ago, ghost_of_fl said:

Kevin James is entitled to market his comedy short film by poking fun at the people who support and enforce a temporary quarantine.   He has that right.  I think he should choose to do better because foolish people might take him seriously.  There is too much gaslighting all around (including from members of this forum) and it is becoming obnoxious.  Just my 2 cents. B

He is a comedian,  ease up.  I have not seen anyone taking him seriously , and you shouldn't.  Just have a laugh, if you don't find it funny ignore it. 

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Fair enough Jackson. 

Protests and civil disobedience have played an historic role on the University campuses and in bringing important and beneficial changes within society and in the development of our democracy. However, civil disobedience is not protected speech under the Constitution. The Constitution does not guarantee any right to engage in civil disobedience – which, by its very definition, involves the violation of laws or regulations – without incurring consequences.

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It's all fun and games until Tin Soldiers and Nixon are coming, then in the summer we hear the drumming.  

rct

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6 minutes ago, rct said:

It's all fun and games until Tin Soldiers and Nixon are coming, then in the summer we hear the drumming.  

rct

4 dead in O Hi O.

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1 hour ago, ghost_of_fl said:

Where did you hear that?  The states control enforcement only.  They do not make the big decision:

Federal Law

The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.

The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

CDC’s Role

Under 42 Code of Federal Regulations parts 70 and 71, CDC is authorized to detain, medically examine, and release persons arriving into the United States and traveling between states who are suspected of carrying these communicable diseases.

As part of its federal authority, CDC routinely monitors persons arriving at U.S. land border crossings and passengers and crew arriving at U.S. ports of entry for signs or symptoms of communicable diseases.

When alerted about an ill passenger or crew  member by the pilot of a plane or captain of a ship, CDC may detain passengers and crew as necessary to investigate whether the cause of the illness on board is a communicable disease.

State, Local, and Tribal Law

States have police power functions to protect the health, safety, and welfare of persons within their borders. To control the spread of disease within their borders, states have laws to enforce the use of isolation and quarantine.

These laws can vary from state to state and can be  specific or broad. In some states, local health authorities implement state law. In most states, breaking a quarantine order is a criminal misdemeanor.

Tribes also have police power authority to take actions that promote the health, safety, and welfare of their own tribal members. Tribal health authorities may enforce their own isolation and quarantine laws within tribal lands, if such laws exist.

Who Is in Charge

The federal government

  • Acts to prevent the entry of communicable diseases into the United States. Quarantine and isolation may be used at U.S. ports of entry.
  • Is authorized to take measures to prevent the spread of communicable diseases between states.
  • May accept state and local assistance in enforcing federal quarantine.
  • May assist state and local authorities in preventing the spread of communicable diseases.

State, local, and tribal authorities

  • Enforce isolation and quarantine within their borders.

It is possible for federal, state, local, and tribal health authorities to have and use all at the same time separate but coexisting legal quarantine power in certain events. In the event of a conflict, federal law is supreme.

Enforcement

If a quarantinable disease is suspected or identified, CDC may issue a federal isolation or quarantine order.

Public health authorities at the federal, state, local, and tribal levels may sometimes seek help from police or other law enforcement officers to enforce a public health order.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection and U.S. Coast Guard officers are authorized to help enforce federal quarantine orders.

Breaking a federal quarantine order is punishable by fines and imprisonment.

Federal law allows the conditional release of persons from quarantine if they comply with medical monitoring and surveillance.

In the rare event that a federal order is issued by CDC, those individuals will be provided with an order for quarantine or isolation. An example of a Quarantine Order for Novel Coronavirus (print-only) pdf icon[PDF – 5 pages] is provided. This document outlines the rationale of the federal order as well as information on where the individual will be located, quarantine requirements including the length of the order, CDC’s legal authority, and information outlining what the individual can expect while under federal order.

Federal Quarantine Rarely used

Large-scale isolation and quarantine was last enforced during the influenza (“Spanish Flu”) pandemic in 1918–1919. In recent history, only a few public health events have prompted federal isolation or quarantine orders.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html

You seriously believe there is a Federal Govt. Lockdown?????????? And the states are NOT doing it??????????????????

No wonder.

You are completely wrong, and obviously have not watched any news on any station.

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I guess my cage match idea need to go into full effect. You crawl out and you got bragging rights.

Stop arguing about this people and go pick up a guitar.

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With a mask,,,,,

And gloves! 

 

 

After the bean bags are steam cleaned,  soaked in  chlorine,  

 

And burned afterwards....😎

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Nassau County Executive  ruled this week that ...  You are not allowed to play doubles tennis (2 on each side of the net) only singles - one on each side.  AND you are NOT allowed to touch the tennis ball if you opponent touched it.  So, each of you has to bring your own and keep them straight.  This is where I was brought up - first 'suburban' county on Long Island, outside of Queens Country, NYC.  At what point do the frogs realize the intent is to boil them, and jump out of the pot ?? 

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19 hours ago, brad1 said:

You seriously believe there is a Federal Govt. Lockdown?????????? And the states are NOT doing it??????????????????

Dude - it says right in the text you quoted that any type of lockdown or quarantine is ENFORCED by the individual states.  

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I'm only going outside in my full body condom.  Ribbed with reservoir tip. 

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So I originally shared this with Jim about a week ago.  He posted it and this is what happens.  It's a light-hearted-attempt at humor.  Laugh a little people.

The original post is a two-minute short.  It's funny as hell to me. It's a comedians observations on humanity. Come on!!!

As for some of you, you deserve the aggravation you've created.

Some of you deserve a star for doing your homework.

Some of you need to be ***** slapped for attacking people in a guitar forum, you should know better. It's the interwebz.

Those of you who have enough moral decency to apologize for any slights you might have caused deserve a "good job, well done."

Some of you take too much, too seriously and you have forgotten how to laugh.

As Jerry Seinfeld recently observed (he's good at making poignant observations)  in an interview on CBS, "Smart phones are getting smarter.  Why aren't we?"

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57 minutes ago, Californiaman said:

So I originally shared this with Jim about a week ago.  He posted it and this is what happens.  It's a light-hearted-attempt at humor.  Laugh a little people.

The original post is a two-minute short.  It's funny as hell to me. It's a comedians observations on humanity. Come on!!!

As for some of you, you deserve the aggravation you've created.

Some of you deserve a star for doing your homework.

Some of you need to be ***** slapped for attacking people in a guitar forum, you should know better. It's the interwebz.

Those of you who have enough moral decency to apologize for any slights you might have caused deserve a "good job, well done."

Some of you take too much, too seriously and you have forgotten how to laugh.

As Jerry Seinfeld recently observed (he's good at making poignant observations)  in an interview on CBS, "Smart phones are getting smarter.  Why aren't we?"

Like the synth pretty boy band once said:

People are peeple

So why should it be

You and I get along so awfully

Smart phone are the dumbing of America, and the world. Why didn't you like the post I made? Cause I don't give a good fuk about your cat video.

People get their ego bruised then they have to puff up their chest and spout off. And on the net we all look like Brad Pitt, date Jennifer Aniston, make a million a week, are hung like Ron Jeremy, and own a '59 Les Paul Standard. I know I do.

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12 hours ago, ghost_of_fl said:

Dude - it says right in the text you quoted that any type of lockdown or quarantine is ENFORCED by the individual states.  

Dude,  the text Brad quoted was yours.  I said there is No Federal LOCKDOWN, in response to your claim "You never had a right to disobey a federal lockdown order. "     Neither he, nor I said anything about ENFORCEMENT.    Bringing up 'enforcement'  is lame.  You are deflecting.  If there is a federal lockdown - post the source.  

Your  CDC  post, by the way, seems to say there isn't one. It states:  

"Federal Quarantine Rarely used

Large-scale isolation and quarantine was last enforced during the influenza (“Spanish Flu”) pandemic in 1918–1919. In recent history, only a few public health events have prompted federal isolation or quarantine orders. "

So - the Spanish Flu was the last time anything on a large scale was done by the Federal Government. 

NOTE:  There is a difference between 'quarantine'  and 'lockdown'.  People on a cruise ship or coming off a flight from China might be isolated or quarantined. IE. People suspected of having the virus.   But the States do not have the legal authority to 'lockdown' everyone.    So - when people disobey State Lockdown 'orders'  - they are not 'disobeying a Federal lockdown order'.   They are defending their First Amendment rights. 

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Please,  if you want t o watch something that will blow your hair back,  just go to YouTube and search for George Carlin Germs.  

I would post it, but the language would melt the mods ears right off their heads. 

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