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16 minutes ago, rct said:

Exactly.  The volume knob becomes your worst enemy most of the time with this kind of amp.  That was my main criteria, get it home, wind it out in my environment, have a rehearsal with the drummer and wind it out over there, make sure it could hack actual playing volume and not just sitting one foot from it volume.  It does, very well it does.  HooRay!  Quiet volume out of something lightweight.  It's like new sliced bread or something.

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I know, it's kind of a whole new thing with these.

  

14 minutes ago, Larsongs said:

I agree these are vastly improved over previous Gen Digital SS Amps or whatever one calls them... I would be curious how they would sound if you ran a Tube Pre Amp Pedal in line between the Amp & the Guitar?


I haven't tried those yet, I've got a OCD here at the house, that's all I've tried so far.  I have a few tho, where we rehearse, I'll see if I can grab one and try it.

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My days of roaring hot tubes and everything that goes with them are long behind me and a very long and good memory.  As are the conditions needed to play out with all of that.  My gigging life has cha

Arrived Friday, and it  sounds incredible.   Way exceeded my expectations.     gratuitous gear porn below    

I have in rehearsal, couple times with a drummer friend of ours and we get pretty pumped when he sits in.  It holds up well, volume=volume, not more noise. rct

OK,  I bit. I did the upgrade to my black covered TMDR, and being unsuccessful on my first try (my life's story), I called Fender, and we determined the cable I used to transmit data to the amp was a power cord and not a data transfer cord. Once I made the change, the upgrade was fast and simple. I made the upgrade because I often use the onboard reverb and tremolo, and based on the three or four youtube demos I heard, it sounded like a pretty good idea. How does it sound? I don't know if it's better, but it might be a little different. I'll spend more time with it. I couldn't tell that it is any worse.

Edit: I also discovered that it was not necessary to unzip the file when using a Mac.

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6 hours ago, rct said:

Alright well, I do use the amp reverb so I guess I'm next.  Maybe this weekend.  eh.  Maybe next weekend.

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Yeah, I don't think you need to be in any hurry. The MXR equalizer you use with yours may iron out any issues you might have with the original firmware, but it will take some tweaking.

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Basically,  the Tonemaster is a modeling amp that models one amp,  the Twin,   only a lot lighter and witbout fragile tubes ( valves) , What isn't there to love about that!  If I could justify it I would get one !

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28 minutes ago, jaxson50 said:

Basically,  the Tonemaster is a modeling amp that models one amp,  the Twin,   only a lot lighter and witbout fragile tubes ( valves) , What isn't there to love about that!  If I could justify it I would get one !

It just doesn’t nail the Tube sound.. It’s better than most but it ain’t there yet for me.... It still has the shrill SS sound to my ears... Not the sweet warm  Tube Sound... If you play soft it’s probably fine.. But, why would you want a Twin if you’re gonna play soft? A Tube DRRI or Princeton would be better IMO. 
 

I just see them going the way of previous modeling Amps & guys will go back to Tube Amps....

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6 hours ago, jaxson50 said:

Basically,  the Tonemaster is a modeling amp that models one amp,  the Twin,   only a lot lighter and witbout fragile tubes ( valves) , What isn't there to love about that!  If I could justify it I would get one !

Well not  just the Twin, some of us have the Deluxe Reverb version.  I've had mine for about a week now.  I think I've played my electrics more in this week than I have in months (I spend a lot of time with an acoustic in my hands)  this is a  very musical amp, responsive and fat sounding.  I love the darned thing.

 

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7 hours ago, Larsongs said:

It just doesn’t nail the Tube sound.. It’s better than most but it ain’t there yet for me.... It still has the shrill SS sound to my ears... Not the sweet warm  Tube Sound... If you play soft it’s probably fine.. But, why would you want a Twin if you’re gonna play soft? A Tube DRRI or Princeton would be better IMO. 
 

I just see them going the way of previous modeling Amps & guys will go back to Tube Amps....

 

My days of roaring hot tubes and everything that goes with them are long behind me and a very long and good memory.  As are the conditions needed to play out with all of that.  My gigging life has changed a whole lot in 15 years, and has nothing to do with Covid.  I won't be going back to tube amps, especially a Twin, unless I've hired someone to at least carry it for me.  

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18 minutes ago, rct said:

 

I won't be going back to tube amps, especially a Twin, unless I've hired someone to at least carry it for me.  

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you won't know true pain till you try to lug this sob up a flight or two..  it sounds fantastic, but moving it?  uhmm, no...

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10 hours ago, Larsongs said:

It just doesn’t nail the Tube sound.. It’s better than most but it ain’t there yet for me.... It still has the shrill SS sound to my ears... Not the sweet warm  Tube Sound... If you play soft it’s probably fine.. But, why would you want a Twin if you’re gonna play soft? A Tube DRRI or Princeton would be better IMO. 
 

I just see them going the way of previous modeling Amps & guys will go back to Tube Amps....

That's why we have chocolate and vanilla ice cream,  I  lugged enough crap around in my 20s to last me a lifetime., and there are more than enough  pedals to change the tone of any amp to satisfy your tube addiction.  

OTOH I still regret selling my 62 Bassman head.

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13 hours ago, ghost_of_fl said:

The right tool for the job:

Recording - vintage Super Reverb for sound quality, modeling amp for no mic hiss

"Low end gig" - modeling amp

"High end gig" - vintage Super Reverb

Playing at home for fun - both amps

I used to do that but when you push those SS Digital modeling Amps with some dirt they get so shrill & harsh sounding compared to Tube Amps it hurts my ears.. I have small, medium & large Fender & Vox Tube Amps.. And a few others. They work well for most any Recording or Gigging situation & they sound great soft, medium & loud.... Low end Gigs & Jams I use small Amps & mic them if necessary...

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6 hours ago, Larsongs said:

I used to do that but when you push those SS Digital modeling Amps with some dirt they get so shrill & harsh sounding compared to Tube Amps it hurts my ears.. I have small, medium & large Fender & Vox Tube Amps.. And a few others. They work well for most any Recording or Gigging situation & they sound great soft, medium & loud.... Low end Gigs & Jams I use small Amps & mic them if necessary...

For home use, it's a compromise I'm ok with, and they've gotten better.  I've gigged with guys that used Peavy Bandits, SS has come a long way to addressing that.

If I (or  any one else)  was gigging...  I would be hauling a tube amp  and a good size pedaltrain pedal board.  but I'm not, so they stay where they are.   

The modelers work great for noodles w/jam tracks, grabbing ideas on pro tools, and practicing.   

My new tone master sits right aside that goldtone amp.  using both, side by side in my studio, you honestly will never hear the degradation of the tone master verses the goldtone.  They both sound excellent.   The tone master deluxe r. works for me...

 

 

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Also, a lot of that "shrill & harsh sounding" problem stems from (a) opinions about older products which have vastly improved in further releases over the last decade or so and (b) person who doesn't know how to program digital gear to have a classic sound.   A lot of people dial in way too much treble and that's where the "shrill" thing happens. 

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10 minutes ago, ghost_of_fl said:

Also, a lot of that "shrill & harsh sounding" problem stems from (a) opinions about older products which have vastly improved in further releases over the last decade or so and (b) person who doesn't know how to program digital gear to have a classic sound.   A lot of people dial in way too much treble and that's where the "shrill" thing happens. 

This is true..  The devil is in the details with modelers.  you have to know you're way around the interfaces and how to access the deep editing.  

Fuse for the old fenders got you places you could not get to on the amps edit functions.

Same goes for the Marshall code amps with the exception that you can, but the interface on the amp is a little clunky.  The Gateway App (android and iPhone) allows a much easier way to access deep edits.

Comparing the Mustang I have to the Code,  the mustang does sound better, but the Code gets some decent sounds too.  Gig wise, the Mustang III is a bit more road worthy, the100 watts and upgraded factory speaker hold up better with in a live setting than the 50 watt Code I have.

 

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Don’t you need some type of Pedal board to engage the TM Amps FX while playing? My Pedalboard is like a small Briefcase.. No hassle... I also prefer the Sound of certain FX Pedals over other Pedals. Not all are equal. Also, many modeling Amps FX don’t sound as good as quality Pedals.. Degrading the Sound even more.. To my ears...

My reference to the shrill harsh sound when pushing the SS Digital Amps with dirt includes the Tone Masters... They’re better but I still can’t listen to them for more than a minute... 

I guess I’m just too used to the warm sound of Tube Amps...

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I think the real test of any amp is not what it sounds like when you are sitting in front of it tweaking the sound, but how it blends or isolates what you are doing with the rest of the band. Sometimes the guitarists ultimate sound is not what works best with what the rest of the group is producing.

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BB had lots of years to perfect his sound. I saw him many years ago in a "theater in the round" on rotating stage and when came around to my side, I was about 10 ft away from him. Anyway with a three or four piece blues group, I don't think he would have any trouble reserving his tone corridor. If someone stepped on it, I'm sure he would have dealt with it..

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11 minutes ago, mihcmac said:

I saw him many years ago in a "theater in the round" on rotating stage and when came around to my side, I was about 10 ft away from him. 

I don't suppose it was at Westbury Music Fare in Long Island?  If so, I was at that show - front row.   Bobby Blue Bland had to cancel so B.B. did a special extended set.  One of my favorites shows I ever went to.  

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1 minute ago, ghost_of_fl said:

I don't suppose it was at Westbury Music Fare in Long Island?  If so, I was at that show - front row.   Bobby Blue Bland had to cancel so B.B. did a special extended set.  One of my favorites shows I ever went to.  

It was in Phoenix with Freddie King as his byline.. I really enjoyed it, because BB played to the audience and as he came to my group of white boys drooling over his playing, he smiled while making eye contact with each one of us, knowingly sharing his technique.

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56 minutes ago, ghost_of_fl said:

B.B. King played SS amps and I never once thought his sound was anything other than spot on for his style.   

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Same goes for those first three amazing Kings X records.  Ty Tabor's crushing, enormous sound came out of Lab 5s.

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