Al Pike Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Japanese made, I believe these were off my ‘76 Guild D40. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonL Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just want to thank all of you for your input and I will make an effort to round up a few more pictures and post them under a new, but similar topic/header. I'm not worried about getting info so I can put this up for sale, cause that will be the problem for my heirs, but it's great to hear back from so many helpful contributors, especially since I have never posted here before. I have another inherited guitar that happens to be a Guild of the same era and style, but I think that ID search will be much more straight forward. Anyway, your generosity is very much appreciated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Isn’t the bridge the way Martin does it and Gibsons is 180’ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Isn’t the bridge the way Martin does it and Gibsons is 180’ed. That is likely true. And a good point. Where Gibson did the bridges "right side up" as Martin does would be what years? Even though this bridge is not either Gibson or Martin...the shape is a little different. But, while it would be very hard with pics, I bet a close examination of the top and bridge area might reveal a bit more with the info you suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 35 minutes ago, stein said: That is likely true. And a good point. Where Gibson did the bridges "right side up" as Martin does would be what years? Even though this bridge is not either Gibson or Martin...the shape is a little different. But, while it would be very hard with pics, I bet a close examination of the top and bridge area might reveal a bit more with the info you suggest. The bridge doesn't tell us all that much as we must assume it was replaced at the same time as the top. Add to that the fact that a 1963 CW-bridge likely was the hollow plastic version, which many would want to switch anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, E-minor7 said: The bridge doesn't tell us all that much as we must assume it was replaced at the same time as the top. Add to that the fact that a 1963 CW-bridge likely was the hollow plastic version, which many would want to switch anyway. All true, I wouldn't depend on it. Unless, there is evidence that there was once an "upside down" bridge, that would be close to proof positive the top is original? (Or evidence of another bridge that can be seen?) Don't take this to the bank: I honestly don't recall what bridge is correct for the '63 or '67 someone said earlier. It's a lotta assumptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, stein said: Don't take this to the bank: I honestly don't recall what bridge is correct for the '63 or '67 someone said earlier. It's a lotta assumptions. Fair enough - but I do. I'm a professor of exactly these topics. 🧐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobouz Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Al Pike said: Japanese made, I believe these were off my ‘76 Guild D40. Yes, the tuners were made by Gotoh in Japan. The set on my '76 Guild G-37 still works great! Edit - Btw Al, assuming you still have that set, thought you might like to know that there's a fellow on the internet who sells them for $150, or $200 with the bushings! Edited March 22, 2021 by bobouz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobouz Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 6 hours ago, stein said: Don't take this to the bank: I honestly don't recall what bridge is correct for the '63 or '67 someone said earlier. If it's from '63, it would have originally had either a rosewood or plastic belly-up adjustable bridge. If it's from '67, it would've originally come with a rosewood belly-up adjustable bridge. Note that if it were made in '67, the neck would have been 1-9/16" at the nut, which is the quick & easy way to distinguish the wider-necked '63 from a '67. Also, if the top were original (which it does not appear to be), a bridgeplate inspection would show obvious evidence of holes for the adjustable bridge hardware - okay, unless a new bridgeplate was fashioned & covered up all the holes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, bobouz said: If it's from '63, it would have originally had either a rosewood or plastic belly-up adjustable bridge. If it's from '67, it would've originally come with a rosewood belly-up adjustable bridge. Note that if it were made in '67, the neck would have been 1-9/16" at the nut, which is the quick & easy way to distinguish the wider-necked '63 from a '67. Also, if the top were original (which it does not appear to be), a bridgeplate inspection would show obvious evidence of holes for the adjustable bridge hardware - okay, unless a new bridgeplate was fashioned & covered up all the holes! There were a lot of bridge variations in the mid/late 60's, not to mention earlier. When Gibson re-topped my first 1950 J-45 in July 1968, they installed a belly-down (Martin-style) rosewood bridge with rosewood adjustable saddle, which apparently was the standard for the J-45 in that year. In the Banner years, there were rectangular bridges, belly-down bridges, and belly-up bridges on the same models. My '43 SJ re-issue, which is a reasonably accurate reproduction except for the bound fretboard, has a belly-down bridge. If the OP's guitar is a mid-60's CW, it has almost certainly been re-topped at some point, so speculation about the bridge is pretty academic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Pike Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 7 hours ago, bobouz said: Yes, the tuners were made by Gotoh in Japan. The set on my '76 Guild G-37 still works great! Edit - Btw Al, assuming you still have that set, thought you might like to know that there's a fellow on the internet who sells them for $150, or $200 with the bushings! Yes I see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonL Posted March 23, 2021 Author Share Posted March 23, 2021 14 hours ago, j45nick said: 16 hours ago, bobouz said: If it's from '63, it would have originally had either a rosewood or plastic belly-up adjustable bridge. If it's from '67, it would've originally come with a rosewood belly-up adjustable bridge. Note that if it were made in '67, the neck would have been 1-9/16" at the nut, which is the quick & easy way to distinguish the wider-necked '63 from a '67. Also, if the top were original (which it does not appear to be), a bridgeplate inspection would show obvious evidence of holes for the adjustable bridge hardware - okay, unless a new bridgeplate was fashioned & covered up all the holes! Thanks for the tip on the neck width. This neck is more like 1-11/16" at the nut, so I guess the '67 vintage is out of the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 38 minutes ago, DonL said: Thanks for the tip on the neck width. This neck is more like 1-11/16" at the nut, so I guess the '67 vintage is out of the question. 99 % yes - read my post from 11:58 Sunday. These are not 67 back braces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 7 hours ago, E-minor7 said: 99 % yes - read my post from 11:58 Sunday. These are not 67 back braces. Agree. taller and thinner than '67. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, j45nick said: Agree. taller and thinner than '67. Yuz - and with the flat upper side/edge. I actually begin to be curious about the top-bracing on this bastard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, E-minor7 said: Yuz - and with the flat upper side/edge. I actually begin to be curious about the top-bracing on this bastard. Good question. If re-topped, that top bracing could be anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 minute ago, j45nick said: Good question. If re-topped, that top bracing could be anything. Exactly - it could be more or less loyal to the original or totally out in the blue. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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