pohatu771 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 4 hours ago, Makeety Makondo said: It's not a reissue, so these details are neither here nor there, really. What I do find odd, VERY odd... Has anybody noticed the fretboard inlays? They're BACKWARDS!! lol... Seriously, they point the wrong way! lol Yes, the greatest tragedy in human history been complained about many times around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 I’ve had a Royal Tan on Order from Sweetwater for over a year. I’m having their Mod Shop add a Bigsby & Vibramate to it.. I’ll probably get it in July... I called Gibson a couple days ago & spoke to one of their Customer Reps about the mindset behind these new Casinos.. He said, the design is not by accident or a fluke.. It was indeed planned & intentional.. They want this new USA to be unique from all the previous Casino's & not be a tribute reissue.. Their intention is for it to be identifiable as a new issue USA Casino.. He says the level of quality is second to none.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I've had mine for almost two months now, but I've finally had some good play time with it over the past week. I continue to be amazed at how much nicer it actually is than my Peerless model, which I didn't think could be improved upon. It did occur to me, though: if you don't like the inlays, just watch yourself in the mirror, and you'll look just like Paul McCartney, but without the controls under your arm. And also probably not as good-looking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Manhost Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 First Casino, and first P90 guitar, loving it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OodlesOfPoodles Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 This is the most neurotic review of a guitar I've ever written. The *strap locks* and *serial numbering system* are unsatisfactory? Please don't get one. Hopefully you'll be one less person in line in front of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OodlesOfPoodles Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 What are the odds that the inlays are a mistake and their "excuse" is that it was "intentional" to be "different"? The 1968 Goldtop Les Paul's initially had the "crown" inlay on their headstock, although those were meant for the ES series. This was later discovered to be a fluke resulting from a clerical error on the work order... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 On 9/1/2021 at 1:33 AM, OodlesOfPoodles said: What are the odds that the inlays are a mistake and their "excuse" is that it was "intentional" to be "different"? The 1968 Goldtop Les Paul's initially had the "crown" inlay on their headstock, although those were meant for the ES series. This was later discovered to be a fluke resulting from a clerical error on the work order... Could be but should we really even care? Neither has anything to do with Sound or Playability…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesB3 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 On 6/11/2021 at 11:29 AM, Larsongs said: I’ve had a Royal Tan on Order from Sweetwater for over a year. I’m having their Mod Shop add a Bigsby & Vibramate to it.. Huh? Which vibramate fits the Casino? AFAIK no vibramate works with a trapeze tailpiece liek the Casino has. The correct Bigsby for this guitar would be a B7. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 (edited) My guess is the Vibramate String Spoiler (which just attaches to a Bigsby to add string slots instead of using the pins). An alternative, to avoid drilling the hole in the top that a B7 requires, would be a B3 or B6 combined with a Towner tension bar. Edited September 3, 2021 by pohatu771 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 3 hours ago, LesB3 said: Huh? Which vibramate fits the Casino? AFAIK no vibramate works with a trapeze tailpiece liek the Casino has. The correct Bigsby for this guitar would be a B7. Turns out there is no Vibramate for Casinos… I think the impression was Vibramate’s were available… I was hoping I didn’t have to drill any holes… Quite a few of my Guitars have Bigsby’s or some kind of Vibrato…. I use them in my playing & like them… Yours looks great! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Larsongs said: Turns out there is no Vibramate for Casinos… I think the impression was Vibramate’s were available… I was hoping I didn’t have to drill any holes… Quite a few of my Guitars have Bigsby’s or some kind of Vibrato…. I use them in my playing & like them… Yours looks great! Epiphone TremoTone or Maestro Vibrola.. Edited September 3, 2021 by mihcmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt4356 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Would a B3 not be the correct one for a casino? Being full hollow there is little for the top screws to secure to and they have been used for how many years on the Gretsch 6122 etc? There is no downward pressure applied by the trapeze currently on, so I don't see the need for There to be any on a bigsby? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt4356 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Beautiful guitars by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 (edited) All Casinos, ES-330's, and even ES-335/345/355 models have a domed plywood top with a wide strip of kerfing wood down the center from the neck pocket to the butt of the guitar.In the semi hollow 335's there is also a solid block of maple bridging the gap between the top kerfing strip and the domed back kerfing strip.The Casino and 330 hollowbodies only have a top kerfing strip which is rather thick, providing solid support for the pickups, bridge and yes, a B7 Bigsby. The 2 top screws on the B7 screw into the top and the kerfing if they are long enough to penetrate that far.I found some images online where you can see the kerfing material running down the center of a Casino. As you can see it is plenty thick and will support a Bigsby B7 easily.Here's a 335 undergoing restoration from the Nashville floods, the kerfed section under the top, just like the Casino. In this case the center block and rear kerfed section have not been put back in yet.Bonus pic for Highnumbers: Since 2011 the Epi TremoTone vibrato has been cleverly using the Bigsby patent including a spring for wang bar return instead of the original torsion bar from the original design. Much better! Edited September 4, 2021 by Larsongs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt4356 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 Ok, but still my point regarding the tension stands. The trapeze doesn't apply downward pressure in the way a roller bar on a B7 would. A B3 would be a near identical replacement the trapeze, would it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Matt4356 said: Ok, but still my point regarding the tension stands. The trapeze doesn't apply downward pressure in the way a roller bar on a B7 would. A B3 would be a near identical replacement the trapeze, would it not? I think I’ve read that on Casinos the B-3 has a tendency to slide around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesB3 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 The B3 is meant for smaller (usually solid body-ish) guitars with a movable bridge. Which basically means 3/4 size thin hollowbodies or a DuoJet style guitar. The B3 will "probably work" but won't look right. I have a B3 on a 60's Gretsch ("didn't want to drill holes") and it functions fine, but the proportions are off and there are sometimes issues with the reach to the handle (which would be set a bit further back than would on a B7). I believe the hinge on the B6 is a bit larger but that model is also meant to be used on guitars with movable bridges as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesB3 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 On 9/3/2021 at 4:37 PM, Matt4356 said: Would a B3 not be the correct one for a casino? Being full hollow there is little for the top screws to secure to and they have been used for how many years on the Gretsch 6122 etc? There is no downward pressure applied by the trapeze currently on, so I don't see the need for There to be any on a bigsby? 6122 is a Country Gent which would use a B6 (Gretsch V cutout) not a B3. The only (mainstream) models that use a B3 that I am aware of are Gretsch Jets (and these are almost always the Gretsch branded models of same as well). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesB3 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 On 9/3/2021 at 11:13 AM, Larsongs said: Turns out there is no Vibramate for Casinos… I think the impression was Vibramate’s were available… I was hoping I didn’t have to drill any holes… Quite a few of my Guitars have Bigsby’s or some kind of Vibrato…. I use them in my playing & like them… Yours looks great! I wouldn't worry about drilling the holes. A local luthier did mine for about $100. It IS a lifetime commitment so be sure that's what you want! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt4356 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 I kind of had an idea a B3 was too short in length, but couldn't remember correctly the longer version. Still there is no reason why a casino needs a tension roller from a B7, I will say though a B7 does look better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) göldo DG Tremolo for Hollowbody Guitars (goldo is the parent company of Duesenberg) A hole of approx. 25mm must be drilled in the top to accommodate the spring mechanism. göldo Maestro Type Tremolo is a lot more interesting Edited September 5, 2021 by mihcmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 That trapeze tremolo seems terrifying. I can't figure out in my head whether the hole is 1 inch diameter or depth, but either way that's a lot more invasive than two screws on a B7. I also can't find anyone who has actually installed one. If it's a deep hole, it's probably not even compatible with a Casino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, pohatu771 said: That trapeze tremolo seems terrifying. I can't figure out in my head whether the hole is 1 inch diameter or depth, but either way that's a lot more invasive than two screws on a B7. I also can't find anyone who has actually installed one. If it's a deep hole, it's probably not even compatible with a Casino. If I add one to my new USA Casino it will be a B-7…. Like Harrison & Mc Cartney Casinos.. They look awesome & work perfect… I know because I have them on several other Gibson’s, Epiphone’s & Gretsch’s……. Thanks.. Edited September 6, 2021 by Larsongs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, pohatu771 said: That trapeze tremolo seems terrifying. I can't figure out in my head whether the hole is 1 inch diameter or depth, but either way that's a lot more invasive than two screws on a B7. I also can't find anyone who has actually installed one. If it's a deep hole, it's probably not even compatible with a Casino. 4 hours ago, Larsongs said: If I add one to my new USA Casino it will be a B-7…. Like Harrison & Mc Cartney Casinos.. They look awesome & work perfect… I know because I have them on several other Gibson’s, Epiphone’s & Gretsch’s……. Thanks.. The goldo Trapeze tremolo was pretty scary, just shows you the extremes they will got to produce a trem for hollowbodies. The original Epiphone TremoTone looks to not need screws in the top. They are hard to find and pricy. The B7 is more functional and traditionally accepted, but you have to commit to using additional screws. The current Epiphone Crestwood uses a slightly redesigned TremoTone that uses a spring, but seems to have one screw in the top. Edited September 6, 2021 by mihcmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 46 minutes ago, mihcmac said: The current Epiphone Crestwood uses a slightly redesigned TremoTone that uses a spring, but seems to have one screw in the top. The current Tremotone (introduced in 2011 for the 50th Anniversary Casino, then again for the 2012 Crestwood Custom) is just a redesigned Bigsby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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