Hummingbirds with Quilted Maple and Torrefied Doves

[BoSoxBiker]

Does anyone know or have some experience with the Quilted Maple Hummingbirds? I know they had some in 2014 in both a standard retail offering and one with more appointments and a baked top. I've only heard a few demos of the baked-topped models with a darker burst, but they've all sounded great. I've not heard the same consistency with the standard issues with the cherry burst finish. I think I've read of some in 2007, but can fund very little about them.

I was also wondering if they've done a lot of torrefied Doves in the past, or are we looking at a very rarrified breed?

I might be going with the Love Dove, but it doesn't hurt to finish with some unknowns before doing so. Especially with the arthritis factor slowly rising over the years.

[Jinder]

I’ve not seen very many torrefied Doves at all. Frank Turner let me play his quilted maple Bird when we did a festival together in Croatia a few years ago and it was very nice indeed, but given that it was long scale, it was sort of a Dove in a wig! 
 

I have been immensely impressed with the demos of the FH Love Dove I’ve seen online...if I was in the market for a new Gibson, that would be it for me.

[BoSoxBiker]

1 hour ago, Jinder said:

I’ve not seen very many torrefied Doves at all. Frank Turner let me play his quilted maple Bird when we did a festival together in Croatia a few years ago and it was very nice indeed, but given that it was long scale, it was sort of a Dove in a wig! 
 

I have been immensely impressed with the demos of the FH Love Dove I’ve seen online...if I was in the market for a new Gibson, that would be it for me.

Thanks, Jinder. I had not seen any baked top Doves being talked about myself, but my memory isn't anything to brag about.

I had a line on a used Hummingbird Maple from across the country, but the videos on them were all over the place.

Then a forum member here told me something that I had long forgotten. That being the FH Love Dove was a limited one time run. A salesman told me Gibson told him 50 total. My assumption had been that I would have a fall-back plan of ordering and waiting 6 months. I was just beginning my hunting process for this year's prize. a used Sheryl Crow SJ(I know....), used Maple Hummingbird and a Baked Dove. My hunting excursion got nipped not long after I started it.

Yesterday, there were 2 new FHLD's online, which was a reduction from the week before. Now there is but one at Fuller's in Houston. The one from Music Villa is due here later this week.  😁 

[Jinder]

1 hour ago, BoSoxBiker said:

Thanks, Jinder. I had not seen any baked top Doves being talked about myself, but my memory isn't anything to brag about.

I had a line on a used Hummingbird Maple from across the country, but the videos on them were all over the place.

Then a forum member here told me something that I had long forgotten. That being the FH Love Dove was a limited one time run. A salesman told me Gibson told him 50 total. My assumption had been that I would have a fall-back plan of ordering and waiting 6 months. I was just beginning my hunting process for this year's prize. a used Sheryl Crow SJ(I know....), used Maple Hummingbird and a Baked Dove. My hunting excursion got nipped not long after I started it.

Yesterday, there were 2 new FHLD's online, which was a reduction from the week before. Now there is but one at Fuller's in Houston. The one from Music Villa is due here later this week.  😁 

Fantastic news!! I hope it’s as brilliant in the hand as it sounds in the demos. Please keep us posted!
 

I am a huge Dove fan and mine (a ‘95 with the FHLD style ‘70s bridge, by far my favourite Dove bridge shape...no idea how it ended up on mine!) is a guitar that, along with my Maple AJ and SJ200, I can’t ever imagine leaving the stable. A really, really stellar instrument which has brought me so much joy and so many songs...if mine was stolen or went otherwise missing, I’d be on the hunt for an FHLD right away.

[BoSoxBiker]

16 minutes ago, Jinder said:

Fantastic news!! I hope it’s as brilliant in the hand as it sounds in the demos. Please keep us posted!
 

I am a huge Dove fan and mine (a ‘95 with the FHLD style ‘70s bridge, by far my favourite Dove bridge shape...no idea how it ended up on mine!) is a guitar that, along with my Maple AJ and SJ200, I can’t ever imagine leaving the stable. A really, really stellar instrument which has brought me so much joy and so many songs...if mine was stolen or went otherwise missing, I’d be on the hunt for an FHLD right away.

Will do! Pics and all later in the weekend. Thursday is the potential NGD day. Busy day. 32nd wedding anniversary, making a small batch of ribs and getting our second doses.

I think I watched the Music Villa video at least 5 times yesterday. The Dove had come in 2nd twice before. Once for the Martin D-41 and then the Historic Series pre-war SJ-200 Rosewood. Two very nice entries. If this FHLD is anywhere near as nice as the SJ-200 I got, I'm in for a real treat.

They sure did hit a lot of home runs last year.

[E-minor7]

I think this is the closest we get to torrefied Doves so far. 

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Regarding the maple H-bird, , , or the Hummingdove as they're called, it would be a thrill to find and play one. Not least a vintage 63/64er. But they are SO rare. 

Edited April 14, 2021 by E-minor7

[Twang Gang]

OK, enlighten me.  Traditionally the Hummingbird is mahogany and the Dove is maple.  So if you had a maple Hummingbird wouldn't it be pretty much a Dove?  Aside from the body wood type the only other difference I see is that the Dove is long scale with a maple neck.  Bird is short scale with a mahogany neck.  I realize the longer scale with higher tension on the strings might provide a slightly different tone, not sure if the neck material makes all that much difference?  If you had a Hummingbird with maple body would it still be short scale w/mahogany neck?  Jinder said he played a maple Bird, but it had a long scale neck.  I found an old description page from the Gibson website on the maple Bird (not sure what year it's from) and the neck was a 3 piece maple and short scale.

I guess what I'm asking is why would you want a Bird with a maple body when they already make a Dove?

Edited April 14, 2021 by Twang Gang

[E-minor7]

1 hour ago, Twang Gang said:

OK, enlighten me.  Traditionally the Hummingbird is mahogany and the Dove is maple.  So if you had a maple Hummingbird wouldn't it be pretty much a Dove?  Aside from the body wood type the only other difference I see is that the Dove is long scale with a maple neck.  Bird is short scale with a mahogany neck.  I realize the longer scale with higher tension on the strings might provide a slightly different tone, not sure if the neck material makes all that much difference?  If you had a Hummingbird with maple body would it still be short scale w/mahogany neck?  Jinder said he played a maple Bird, but it had a long scale neck.  I found an old description page from the Gibson website on the maple Bird (not sure what year it's from) and the neck was a 3 piece maple and short scale.

I guess what I'm asking is why would you want a Bird with a maple body when they already make a Dove?

The answer would be : because of the shorter scale - voila, , , short and plain. Most likely a looser slightly quieter guitar. Perhaps a mix of magikk. 

[Dave F]

51 minutes ago, E-minor7 said:

The answer would be : because of the shorter scale - voila, , , short and plain. Most likely a looser slightly quieter guitar. Perhaps a mix of magikk. 

The neck shape would probably be different. The standard neck shape is on the Bird while the Dove is narrow and thin. 

[E-minor7]

1 hour ago, Dave F said:

The neck shape would probably be different. The standard neck shape is on the Bird while the Dove is narrow and thin. 

Hmmm, , , yesss - but then again look at this one - https://www.gibson.com/Guitar/ACCN8H793/Dove-Original/Vintage-Cherry-Sunburst

[Dave F]

I would prefer that width

[BoSoxBiker]

Aren't some of them 1.72" and other 1-5/8?  According to the specs, mine should be a 1.72".

The nut I used to replace the one on my Maple SJ-200 was a pre-slotted cheapo bone from amazon. 4 for $20 or something. Garbage. The spacing was a bit thinner than the stock and the one on my Historic Collection SJ-200. I actually liked it more and was bummed when the slots wore out quickly. I went back to near stock this time around. It's OK, sure, but I liked that thinner spacing I had for a while.

The odd part is that I thought I needed wider spacing for string clearance, being a big boy and all. 🙂

[Jinder]

I’ve never noticed any of the three Doves I’ve owned having a thinner nut width than any of my other modern Gibsons. My ‘95 has a 1.725” nut. Are they normally thinner?

[Dave F]

I’ve only had a DIF and it is thin and narrow just like my Super 400. Apparently they vary from one year to another. I don’t mind the smaller neck except on the frets close to the neck I have to adjust my hand so the high E doesn’t get muted by my hand. 

Edited April 15, 2021 by Dave F

[E-minor7]

On 4/14/2021 at 3:35 PM, E-minor7 said:

I think this is the closest we get to torrefied Doves so far. 

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Wrong - BoSoxBiker tells us the relatively new Frank Hannon Love Dove is torrefied.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Would have deleted the post above, but it must cook in its own fat and stand as the misconception it is. 

Edited April 17, 2021 by E-minor7

[BoSoxBiker]

12 hours ago, E-minor7 said:

Wrong - BoSoxBiker tells us the relatively new Frank Hannon Love Dove is torrefied.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Would have deleted the post above, but it must cook in it's own fat and stand as the misconception it is. 

I thought it was funny as heck. I figured you were looking for pics of Baked Dove recipes and this was as close as you could find in under 30 seconds. 😁