Cougar Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) Here it is. A new "Frontier." OK, it is made in Bozeman alongside the Gibson acoustics, but.... for that you could get a brand new Dove or Hummingbird Standard or Songwriter or J185 or..... Edited April 27, 2021 by Cougar stupid link procedure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Are those models you named inherently better, that someone is missing out by buying a Frontier instead? My argument since the Texan and Casino were revealed last year is that these are not for people who are happy buying $500 Epiphone guitars, but the people who are already buying Gibson but want these historic Epiphone models built to the same standards. This is actually slightly less expensive than the closest Gibson model, the Dove. I’ve known about this a long time and played one last week. It’s a great guitar. It’s odd that after years of hearing that the headstock doesn’t matter when people are defending their own Epiphone guitars, when an expensive Epiphone or three are introduced, suddenly there’s a question of why someone would want to spend a lot and not get a Gibson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunningham26 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Dove, Hummingbird, and those others are all short scale. if you want a long-scale maple body gibson, the frontier fits the bill! It's also beautiful and a really unique look as opposed to a ho-hummingbird. To pohatu's point at this level i dont think anyone's confused by the epiphone headstock. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 2 hours ago, cunningham26 said: Dove, Hummingbird, and those others are all short scale. if you want a long-scale maple body gibson, the frontier fits the bill! The Dove is also 25.5", but the only significant (non-cosmetic) difference between them is the neck - maple on the Frontier, mahogany on the Dove. Otherwise, it's just a trade-off between inlays, pickguard, Dove's fancy bridge, and finish options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunningham26 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 I dont think i knew the dove was 25.5! good info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuestionMark Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 I think it’s great that Epiphone is restoring their image by having high end hand crafted USA made models in their line-up, again. It will further establish the reputation of the Epiphone brand and in doing so help the reputation of the imported machine made models which have reached a new level of quality. Martin and Fender have successfully had co-existing high end models and lower priced models with good quality and value in their success formula for a number of years now. Martin and Fender buyers are able to understand the differences between high end and good quality with good value instruments. No reason the Epiphone brand can’t have success with that formula, too. Especially with their longtime heritage and sharing Gibson’s luthiers for the high end models and the great quality control they’ve pioneered and developed on their imported models. Just my opinion of course. QM aka “Jazzman” Jeff 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Hmmm... nice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobouz Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 It’s simply another option from Gibson, and I think that’s great! Anyone with enough money to spend on this will inevitably consider it a Montana Gibson, just like anyone looking to buy a ‘60s Kalamazoo-made Epiphone knows, in reality it’s a Kalamazoo Gibson. And quite correctly, market values reflect just that. Bravo to Gibson for experimenting with the revival of USA-made Epis. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 9 hours ago, bobouz said: Bravo to Gibson for experimenting with the revival of USA-made Epis. The Texan must have been successful enough for them to move on to a more expensive option. I probably won't buy a Frontier unless I see a used one for a good price, but I'll consider any other USA models. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanstreak Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 I think this is incredible! I've wanted a frontier for about 20 years now since I first saw Noel Gallagher playing one about 20 years ago in this video - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 And if people don't like a $4,000 Epiphone, just wait for the USA Excellente. In 1964, a Kalamazoo-made Frontier was $290 ($2,500 after inflation today vs. $4,000 for the Bozeman model). An Excellente was $570 - the most expensive guitar to come from Kalamazoo at the time. I'd expect a Bozeman Excellente to be $5,000. Personally, I'd rather see a Bozeman Cortez or Bard before an Excellente, but they aren't quite as flashy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrasso Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Love seeing all of these being produced in the USA. But how much tooling goes into the Frontier than the Texan for doubling the price. Granted, bound fretboard, fancier pickguard and solid maple, but I think the additional price is to keep it close to the Dove so not to push away potential Dove buyers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 8 hours ago, mgrasso said: Love seeing all of these being produced in the USA. But how much tooling goes into the Frontier than the Texan for doubling the price. Granted, bound fretboard, fancier pickguard and solid maple, but I think the additional price is to keep it close to the Dove so not to push away potential Dove buyers. But at the same point, what makes a Dove cost so much more than a J-45? The J-45 (and on the Epiphone side, the Texan) are obviously much more popular guitars than the Dove/Frontier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Just ordered a left handed Frontier in Sunburst . I’m excited . I’m glad Epiphone is Getting USA reissues. JC 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinder Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 A USA Frontier is basically a Dove in a dinner jacket…specs are almost identical, bar cosmetics. Having said that, I’m a Dove owner and am very much GASing for the USA Frontier reissues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbpark Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 It's been a while since this thread was started so I was wondering if anyone could give an update...who's bought or played one of these new Frontiers? Imperessions? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbpark Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 I ended up pulling the trigger on one of these. Will hopefully have it early next week. I really like longer scale guitars and have never got along with Gibon's short-scale offerings despite trying many times to bond with carious incarnations of J-45's. I've owned and loved AJ's and J200's in the past (that I foolishly sold over the years). I like the sound of the Dove but really can't get into the aesthetics of those, so the Frontier seems like a great option. Essentially a Dove in different clothes so to speak. I tried one of the imported Frontiers but was pretty disappointed with it and sent it back the next day. Jsut wan't up to my expectations. It sounded ok, but was very heavy and had some issues with the neck. Buzzing all over, a hump around the 14th fret, etc. Hopefully this Frontier works out because I'eve never been into buying guitars sight unseen, especially one this expensive. The place I bought ti from had a few ins tock and made me some videos of it being played that helped in the choice though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanstreak Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Here's Chris Stapleton playing one, and of course it sounds fantastic even with that extra pickguard on it lol. I guess it could be a vintage one but don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Very cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosinante Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 On 5/6/2021 at 9:57 PM, JuanCarlosVejar said: Just ordered a left handed Frontier in Sunburst . I’m excited . I’m glad Epiphone is Getting USA reissues. JC On 1/31/2022 at 10:14 PM, sbpark said: I ended up pulling the trigger on one of these. Will hopefully have it early next week. I really like longer scale guitars and have never got along with Gibon's short-scale offerings despite trying many times to bond with carious incarnations of J-45's. I've owned and loved AJ's and J200's in the past (that I foolishly sold over the years). I like the sound of the Dove but really can't get into the aesthetics of those, so the Frontier seems like a great option. Essentially a Dove in different clothes so to speak. I tried one of the imported Frontiers but was pretty disappointed with it and sent it back the next day. Jsut wan't up to my expectations. It sounded ok, but was very heavy and had some issues with the neck. Buzzing all over, a hump around the 14th fret, etc. Hopefully this Frontier works out because I'eve never been into buying guitars sight unseen, especially one this expensive. The place I bought ti from had a few ins tock and made me some videos of it being played that helped in the choice though. So how are they? Did you guys end up keeping them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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