Larsongs Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 7 hours ago, mihcmac said: You guys may also like the new design, MIC ES-335 Figured with the Raspberry Tea Burst finish.. or for a few thousand more, the Gibson ES-335 Figured with the Iced Tea finish... Both are pretty… One is good. The other, in most cases, is outstanding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, Larsongs said: Both are pretty… One is good. The other, in most cases, is outstanding! the outstanding one is 3k more.. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, mihcmac said: the outstanding one is 3k more.. 🙂 Yes.. You do get what you pay for… Although for many the Epiphone Dots are perfectly fine Guitars.. I have both & there is a big difference.. The Craftsmanship, Materials, Electronics, Pickups etc. IMO were/are worth the extra cost… No, they are not the same.. No matter what Baloney anyone tries to sell you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Larsongs said: Yes.. You do get what you pay for… Although for many the Epiphone Dots are perfectly fine Guitars.. I have both & there is a big difference.. The Craftsmanship, Materials, Electronics, Pickups etc. IMO were/are worth the extra cost… No, they are not the same.. No matter what Baloney anyone tries to sell you.. FYI the new Epi ES-335 has been completely redone to match the Gibson version as closely as the MIC's can and they are very different from a Dot. The Epi version at 599 is an incredible guitar, but should not compare to the Gibson at 3699. Edited August 19, 2021 by mihcmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, mihcmac said: FYI the new Epi ES-335 has been completely redone to match the Gibson version as closely as the MIC's can and they are very different from a Dot. The Epi version at 599 is an incredible guitar, but should not compare to the Gibson at 3699. I agree… They should not be compared to each other.. The Epi’s are excellent Guitars at their price point… I don’t intend to insult anyone. I’m just stating fact as I see & hear it based on my experience.. I’ve played many & have owned both.. I still own a Gibson ES335.. The $599 Epi isn’t in the same ballpark sound wise as the Gibson ES335… Although, It’s pretty & is good enough for many… Edited August 19, 2021 by Larsongs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 23 hours ago, Larsongs said: The Peerless, I own one, are really good Guitars. Especially with upgraded USA P90’s… There are many differences between the Peerless & USA.. 5 Ply vs 3 Ply Top to begin with… All the Electronics, Tuners, Nut & Pickups are highest quality USA vs MIC or MIK. There is no Royal Tan in Asian or Korean Casino’s.. Many of the Appointments like reverse Neck Inlays & Headstock. There are probably more but this gives an idea…. The biggest thing to me is the sound difference.. The Asian P90’s are brittle & harsh while the USA P90’s aren’t…. Thanks. I must have the US P90s in mine (I bought it used). I bought it because my 330 with the long neck has become a collector's item and I didn't want to bang it up on the gig. Unplugged the Gibson sounds warmer and fuller, the Epiphone thinner. Plugged in, there is very little difference between the two. After gigging on that for over a year, I decided to get a solid body guitar. It was an LTD Less-Paul. I couldn't get the dynamic response out of the humbuckers that I could out of the P90s. And when picking hard, it didn't have that bright accented attack sound. So I got a Parker Super-Strat with an S-S-H configuration. All Duncan pickups, but neither the SC's or the H gave me what the P90s did. After that, I bought another Parker, and had them put Duncan P-Rails in it. It gives me the light weight of the 330 or Casino but with a solid body, plus I can get Rail, Series Humbucker, Parallel Humbucker and P90 sounds out of the pickups. With a Piezo under the bridge that I can play alone or mix with the mag pups, it's a "Swiss Army Knife" guitar. The Pickups stay in the P90 position almost all the time. Sometimes, I'll put one in the HB and one in the P90 or one in the P90 mixed with the piezo. On only a couple of songs will I use the Humbuckers. Without at least one pup in the P90 position, I can't go from a smooth, legato attack to a sforzando accent. The HB or SC pickups won't give me the sfz at all, just a normal accent. Now that I've been playing with a P90 guitar for over a decade, I don't want a guitar that doesn't have P90s. I just can't get the same expression out of them. Perhaps if I were a better guitarist (I'm working on that) ... ... 😉 Notes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 I know what you’re saying.. P90’s have spoiled me too.. It’s like after you’ve played them there’s no going back….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) Last year I was shopping for a semi hollow of any brand that I could install P90's, as most came with humbuckers. In Oct 2020 the new redesigned Epiphone ES-335 and ES-339 appeared on my radar. After serious deliberation I got the 339 and immediately modified it with Humbucker sized Mean 90's, I would have modified either one. While I was modifying the 339 the new Coronet and Wilshire appeared, so I had to get them as well. All three have variations of C profile necks, no circuitboards hard wired with CTS pots and not to forget the 50's Epiphone headstock. Aside from being in P90 heaven all of three of these were Ready To Play right out of the box and having 60 yrs of setup experience, I was impressed. Now several months later they have needed very little in the way of tweaking. Having 11 P90 guitars its a good thing I'm retired so I can play them all, no Gibsons though. I got my first guitar when I was 12 in 1962, my first band in 64 and have had several of the major brands, mostly Gibsons, but I am amazed at the quality level of my 339. Edited August 19, 2021 by mihcmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) On 8/18/2021 at 9:57 AM, Larsongs said: Congrats on your NGD! Curious what you mean by, pretty much perfect? I also have a Peerless Korean Casino with Bigsby & it’s a good Guitar but the Pickups don’t sound as good as the Gibson USA P90’s in my IBJL Revolution Casino or my 50th Anniv. 1961 Casino with Tremotone… The latter being my go to Casino for several years.. It’s on par with the Elitist’s that I’ve Played. I’m hoping the new USA Casinos will be even better… On 8/18/2021 at 10:53 AM, Notes_Norton said: I have a Korean Casino (Peerless factory). Is there a significant difference between the USA and the Korean model? Curiously, Notes There are three primary differences that actually impact me when playing it: 1. Neck shape. My Peerless has a fairly thin, flat, D-shaped neck that I loved for a long time. Last year I got the USA Collection Texan and a vintage Cortez, both with 60s C-shaped necks, and that is now my preference. The USA Collection Casino neck is almost identical to my Cortez. I believe the new Worn Casino has a C neck, but otherwise the recent Chinese examples of the standard version that I've played are the same D neck. 2. Pickups. I also loved the sound of the stock P-90s in the Peerless, but I never had the tone knobs at more than 8 (including since replacing all the pots last year). The Gibson USA P-90s are a bit more mellow and smoother. You can obviously replace pickups. 3. Finish. It just feels different. I feel like I have a better handle on the necks of my nitrocellulose-finished guitars than my poly-finished guitars. Fortunately, if someone wants a Casino, there are four different options and all are strong options (there are also several great ES-335 options, they just have different brand names). You can get a great traditional take on it for $700, or a fun modern-ish approach with the worn version (maybe Epiphone's best value at $450), while also having access to this classic in a smaller format with the $500 Casino Coupe. But if you really love the Casino, like I do, or you are just used to buying more expensive guitars, the USA Collection model fills that niche. Yeah, a Gibson fan could buy an ES-330, but the Casino has earned its spot as the better-known guitar between the two, and it's nice to have a high-end option. I've been trying to address some misinformation lately about Epiphone being Gibson's "budget brand" even back in the 60s, and not only were the ES-330TDC and E230TD Casino both $310 in the 1965 price list, that works out to $2688 today, adjusted for inflation. The case that came with my USA Collection Casino is worth the extra $11. Edited August 19, 2021 by pohatu771 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 21 hours ago, mihcmac said: Last year I was shopping for a semi hollow of any brand that I could install P90's, as most came with humbuckers. 21 hours ago, mihcmac said: After serious deliberation I got the 339 and immediately modified it with Humbucker sized Mean 90's I put Mean 90s in a LTD Less Paul. They sounded quite good, brighter than the soap bars, but if you turn the treble down a bit, it would be hard to tell the difference. And they have all the picking dynamics that a 'real' P90 has. And when playing clean, nothing sounds as pure as P90s. You can add distortion to make them sound dirty. On the other hand, if a pickup already sounds dirty, like a humbucker, IMO there is nothing you can do to make it sound clean. As you can tell, I'm thoroughly spoiled. Insights and incites by Notes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 On 8/20/2021 at 4:50 AM, Notes_Norton said: I put Mean 90s in a LTD Less Paul. They sounded quite good, brighter than the soap bars, but if you turn the treble down a bit, it would be hard to tell the difference. And they have all the picking dynamics that a 'real' P90 has. And when playing clean, nothing sounds as pure as P90s. You can add distortion to make them sound dirty. On the other hand, if a pickup already sounds dirty, like a humbucker, IMO there is nothing you can do to make it sound clean. As you can tell, I'm thoroughly spoiled. Insights and incites by Notes I think Mean 90's are killer and would hold up compared to any USA brand.. I did not hesitate installing them on my new 339 turning it into a sudo Casino Coupe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jifov38653 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 The Casino could be a better choice if you want lighter, more resonant guitars with a unique hollow body sound. The ES-335 may be a better option if you're looking for a guitar that can play at greater levels without producing feedback and has a flexible tone that works well with a variety of musical styles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erin_Jacob Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 On 11/23/2023 at 10:28 AM, jifov38653 said: The Casino could be a better choice if you want lighter, more resonant guitars with a unique hollow body sound. The ES-335 may be a better option if you're looking for a guitar that can play at greater levels without producing feedback and has a flexible tone that works well with a variety of musical styles. There's a beat to navigating both the world of guitars and casinos. Like choosing a guitar, gambling requires the ideal balance of risk and return. Entering the casino industry, nevertheless, is not without its difficulties. For me, CasinosAnalyzer is my trusted resource for help navigating this cacophony of options. Selecting a trustworthy casino is essential, much like selecting a guitar based on its distinctive tone. A useful resource for newcomers to the world of casinos is https://casinosanalyzer.ca/deposit-bonuses/welcome-bonuses, which offers advice on how to get the greatest bonuses. So, may your selections strike all the right notes—whether it's the ideal casino or the guitar! And never forget that the excitement is in discovering your own winning combination or song, whether it be in gambling or music. You are absolutely right, I think! After all, your choice may depend on the specific qualities and features you're looking for in a guitar, as well as what kind of music you want to play. Each guitar has its own advantages and disadvantages, so consider your playing style and requirements when choosing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparquelito Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 I have always fancied an Epiphone Casino in the natural finish, like John played during the final rooftop concert above Apple Records. A good friend found one a number of years ago, and bought it from Guitar Bob. I need to ring him up, and ask him if he still has it. 🙁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 On 11/25/2023 at 2:36 PM, sparquelito said: I have always fancied an Epiphone Casino in the natural finish, like John played during the final rooftop concert above Apple Records. A good friend found one a number of years ago, and bought it from Guitar Bob. I need to ring him up, and ask him if he still has it. 🙁 If i recall correctly, they sanded the finish off to the bare wood. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I own a Ltd Edition Epiphone Inspired by John Lennon Revolution Guitar.. The Finish is non gloss Natural Satin.. It is one of my favorites! It does sound different than my other Casino’s.. Even though they have the same content.. Is it because of its Natural unfinish? I don’t know? But, it sounds great! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 10 hours ago, merciful-evans said: If i recall correctly, they sanded the finish off to the bare wood. John sanded it bare, or, had it sanded bare at Donovan’s recommendation.. According to him it was supposed to open up the Guitar & improve the Sound.. Maybe, maybe not as John had it refinished later.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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