Tone Shield

[badbluesplayer]

I bought a Tone Shield baffle.  It deflects the high frequencies around the room so you can hear yourself better and the beam from the speaker won't blast any bandmates.  I bought it on the recommendation of Andy Fuchs, the guy who makes Fuchs amplifiers.  It seems to work really well in the shop.  I'm'a take it to practice tomorrow and see how it works out in our fairly small studio -

 

Edited December 13, 2021 by badbluesplayer

[mihcmac]

Very interesting, I have noticed with my 12's in a small area I need to aim one at head so I don't get too loud.

[Sgt. Pepper]

You should have just cut a sound port in the side of the amp, Gibson did with their new acoustic line. 

Edited December 14, 2021 by Sgt. Pepper

[fortyearspickn]

I cut a sound port in my Starbucks Coffee Cup.   I am now experiencing the full immersion effect.   

BBP - that contraption makes a lot of sense.   More than a Sound Port or a ToneRite !     Let us know. 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I just looked at the site and watch a vid. They are for one speaker smaller combo amps or or a one speaker cab. The say you can try to use two if you have a dual speaker amp and they are not for half or full stacks with 4 speakers in the cab. 

It did sound different when he put if in from of his speaker.

[Whitefang]

So, explain how four separate pieces of plexi glass  set in four different angles is different or better than one huge sheet of plexi-glass placed in front?  And how thick is hat plexiglass?

Whitefang

[rct]

22 minutes ago, Whitefang said:

So, explain how four separate pieces of plexi glass  set in four different angles is different or better than one huge sheet of plexi-glass placed in front?  And how thick is hat plexiglass?

Whitefang

A single sheet is good when there is a mic behind it.  The mic gets the full sound(with no high/low delay), everyone else gets relief from the shear volume it takes sometimes to get what you want out of the amp for a recording.

The baffles and angles allow lower freqs to get out and past the monitors, followed by slightly delayed, somewhat softened high mids and trebs, the way we are intended to hear music.  Like a BBE Sonic Maximizer does, it delays highs.  Or lows, I can never remember which arrives at the ear first.

Anyway, when you are amping hard in a small space, small being relative to how hard you are amping, those trebs tend to be a tight cone that hits the first group of mullets and tats at the bar really hard, along with the bartenders and wait staff that are working that area.  And you get told to turn down quickly if they can't jive with the drinkers.  So it helps, like turning your amp on a good angle away from the front of the room.

rct

[merciful-evans]

Good idea. Takes up a bit more space in the car though. 

[Twang Gang]

I get the idea and I'm sure it works but couldn't hear much difference on the demo vids on their site.  I may be a cheapskate, but $150 seems a little high for what it is.

I played a lot of small bars back in the day around Chicago and to be heard over the drummer, but not blast the tables closest to the stage I would always tilt the Twin Reverb back with the legs it had.  That got the sound up toward my ears and I could turn down and still hear myself.  Another thing we did sometimes was turn our amps around and face the speakers at the back wall of the stage and bounce the sound off of that which dispersed it some.   

[badbluesplayer]

It worked pretty well at practice.  I can stand about 4 feet in front and off to the side of the amp a little and I can hear much better.  I can sing and hear the guitar at the same time.  Better than trying to aim the amp at the far wall or at my head. 

21 hours ago, Whitefang said:

So, explain how four separate pieces of plexi glass  set in four different angles is different or better than one huge sheet of plexi-glass placed in front?  And how thick is hat plexiglass?

Whitefang

Dispersion, not just deflection.  I have a flat one and it does more muffling than anything.  The plexiglass is probably 1/4".

Edited December 15, 2021 by badbluesplayer

[Larsongs]

In all my 30+ years of playing Gigs from Coadt to Coast & recording in many Studios I’ve never seen anyone use one of those… Not even Pro Session Players… 

[Whitefang]

16 hours ago, Twang Gang said:

I get the idea and I'm sure it works but couldn't hear much difference on the demo vids on their site.  I may be a cheapskate, but $150 seems a little high for what it is.

I played a lot of small bars back in the day around Chicago and to be heard over the drummer, but not blast the tables closest to the stage I would always tilt the Twin Reverb back with the legs it had.  That got the sound up toward my ears and I could turn down and still hear myself.  Another thing we did sometimes was turn our amps around and face the speakers at the back wall of the stage and bounce the sound off of that which dispersed it some.   

That's what the bands that played at a bar/bowling alley converted to a dance club my ex worked at,and it sounded OK .  But the bands that didn't do that also employed a sound man to keep things balanced out.  Like Toby Redd.

Whitefang

[badbluesplayer]

17 hours ago, Twang Gang said:

I get the idea and I'm sure it works but couldn't hear much difference on the demo vids on their site.  I may be a cheapskate, but $150 seems a little high for what it is.

I played a lot of small bars back in the day around Chicago and to be heard over the drummer, but not blast the tables closest to the stage I would always tilt the Twin Reverb back with the legs it had.  That got the sound up toward my ears and I could turn down and still hear myself.  Another thing we did sometimes was turn our amps around and face the speakers at the back wall of the stage and bounce the sound off of that which dispersed it some.   

$150 does seem a little high.  If it works, it'll be worth it.  That's about the same cost as a 4 panel plexiglass shield for a 1x12 cab.

It's not something you're going to hear in a demo video.  What it's doing is making the frequency EQ more equal throughout the room, so that you can hear the highs that you normally don't hear well when you're right next to your amp.  It's like you're always wondering how badly you're killing people with high frequencies.  You can hear yourself better with this thing.

Been there, done that, on all the amp aiming stuff.  Tilting back, aiming at the wall.  This is only really for a fairly small room, where you need to hear the same thing that everybody else is hearing without having to stand in just the right spot.

Still, we'll see what happens.  It seems to work well in our practice studio. 

[Twang Gang]

Hope it works out well, and I am happy for you that you have a band that is practicing and planning to play out.  In these times, that in itself is an accomplishment.