Spiritinthesky Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 From http://www.thisdayinmusic.com April 5th, 1994, Kurt Cobain committed suicide by shooting himself in the head at his home in Seattle. Cobain’s body wasn’t discovered until April 8, by an electrician who had arrived to install a security system, who initially believed that Cobain was asleep, until he saw the shotgun pointing at his chin. A suicide note was found that said, "I haven't felt the excitement of listening to as well as creating music, along with really writing . . . for too many years now". A high concentration of heroin and traces of Valium were found in Cobain’s body. His death was officially ruled as suicide by a self-inflicted shotgun wound to the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichCI Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Who gives a crap? He was too much of a puss to tough it out like the rest of the world and take care of his wife and kid. Boo freakin' hoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky4 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 The late 80s and early 90s was were a fantastic period of music in my opinion. The hair bands were gone (thank God) and replaced by Nirvana, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Janes Addiction, etc. Kurt Cobain dies and within months Mathbox 20 takes over alternative radio. WTF happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callen3615 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 I really loved nirvana, pearl jam, and many others like them. Hair metal had to go. No grunge had to go. But there are still some good bands. RHCP is interesting and Janes additcion are touring this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 It was a shame. Was I a fan? Not really, but he inspired one more group of young 'uns to take up the guitar and that's a good thing. Not trying to piss anybody off, but I remind young guys all the time that Cobain wasn't a guitar player when he died. He was a junkie, nothing more. Poor tortured soul, yeah, yeah, yeah.... When you have the world by the tail, you're able to guide your own destiny but decide it's more important to get that sh!t inside you and forsake everything else (wife, child, band, monetary freedom) then making the decision to take yourself out (twice) because you just can't cope doesn't generate much sympathy from me. Still, he left behind millions of fans who feel like they connected with him and that's still a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepblue Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Heroin addiction and a gun collections can only lead to one thing. I have no sympathy for idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgTime Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Yeah, the thing that pisses me off so much is how everyone now thinks of him as some crazy musician. The reality was that he wasnt, and anybody who attempts to say otherwise obviously has no understanding of music. His music was repetitive, very similar (from one song to the next) and quite frankly, very boring. Dont get me wrong, I personally do like some Nirvana, but I also like every other style of music as well, and to be honest writing the same song over and over again (for 3 albums straight) does not show creativity, it shows the lack of. Also, i agree with deepblue and Neoconman and their views on his suicide. Seriously, I just dont understand why we put so much remembrance into just another addict coward who would rather die then actually deal with his problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky4 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Sooooo the music is only good if the person making it lives up to certain standards? Does the fact that you don't like Cobains music shape your view of him? Hendrix died of a drug related death. What is your opinion of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 No heroin addiction here, but a substantial gun collection. What does THAT lead to? :-) Please let me know quickly, because as a dealer I'm helping others amass gun collections too. Note; Cobain didn't have a collection - no guns at all. He asked a friend to bring him the shotgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Hendrix died of a drug related death. What is your opinion of him? Junkie. Sacrifice EVERYTHING for dope? Junkie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky4 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Seriously' date=' I just dont understand why we put so much remembrance into just another addict coward who would rather die then actually deal with his problems.[/quote'] You don't have a clue what addiction is like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 If you're looking for sympathy, go talk to your Grandma. You're barking up the wrong tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgTime Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 You don't have a clue what addiction is like Exactly. Thats why I just never will understand him and what he did. Also to answer your previous response about Hendrix' date=' NO i dont like his music and NO its not because he was an addict. I dont like Hendrix's music because it is repetitive (like Cobains). If you really look into how he played, what scales he used, what modes he used, HOW he used the modes and most importantly, how his music actually sounds, then you will have a much differant view of Hendrix then that of the general public. Seriously, TRY to listen to Hendrix's music (an album) straight through. You cant do it. You get bored of it easily. Why? Because its repetitive. The only song that sounds really differant is [u']All Along The Watchtower[/u] and the reason for this is that Bob Dylan wrote it. By the way, comparing Hendrix to Cobain (in the way they died) is incredibly stupid. Hendrix died by choking on his own vomit while drunk. He did not commit suicide. He just got hammered, like any other night, and got bad luck and passed out on his back. Cobain shot himself purposefully through the head because he was a coward who killed himself to escape his problems. Thats differant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky4 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 If you're looking for sympathy' date=' go talk to your Grandma. You're barking up the wrong tree. [/quote'] Not looking for sympathy. That's not my point. Do you avoid the music of an artist because you don't like the artist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homz Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Neo. Is it your belief that all junkies are beyond redemption and not worthy of serious consideration. That is to say, they are incapable of any other legacy, but to be a junkie. Actual question not meant with sarcasm or malice and no offense or hidden agenda intended? I just want to know what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 No, I don't avoid the music. If it was good stuff it has a life all its own. Personally, I just don't get Nirvana - though Grohl's Foo Fighers have some cool stuff. It's the hero-worship that I have a problem with. One more idiot starts 'chasing the dragon' or whatever you wanna call it, and winds up dead. End of story. Really, what do you say when somebody you know starts dabbling in heroin? "Wow, you're really smart. That's a brilliant creative move. Imagine how much better your music will be......" Would Cobain still be held in such high regard if he were still alive? Probably depends on whether he continued to play and record or just sat home stoned and stupid. Is it your belief that all junkies are beyond redemption and not worthy of serious consideration. No' date=' and I never said that. they are incapable of any other legacy' date=' but to be a junkie.[/quote']When the coroner hauls their stinking, discolored, leaking corpse to the meat wagon they are no longer a guitarist. (No, wait, unzip the bag so I can see him play guitar one more time......) The romance is gone when the legend is dead. Buy their music and wish they were still with us, celebrate the good stuff they did, I thing that's appropriate. Assigning some mystical value in their Rock n Roll death is dangerous and stupid. The reality is, they were stupid and selfish enough to kill themselves. Wonder what they must really think of their fans, eh? Actual question not meant with sarcasm or malice and no offense or hidden agenda intended? I just want to know what you think. That's my take on it. Your mileage may vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homz Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Seems like many of the great ones had their turn on the heroin train. Those that survived seem to be looked at favorably and they're transgressions forgiven. Page and Clapton among them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky4 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Neo, I assume you have no vices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californiaman Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Just another dead junky. Liked his music. But look at what's happened as a result of his suicide. More awareness about heroin addiction. New crop of musicians. Cortney Love... now wait, strike that last remark from the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homz Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Just another dead junky.Liked his music. But look at what's happened as a result of his suicide. More awareness about heroin addiction. New crop of musicians. Cortney Love... now wait' date=' strike that last remark from the forum.[/quote'] If I had to be married to Cortney Love I think I'd be a junkie too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitfidl Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Thank you for this' date=' I totally agree.... Poor poor man; the only thing he could complain about was his ole lady. How selfish can you be to take your life and allow your child to grow up without you in their life.[/quote'] Now this is closer the center of the issue: our adult life is **fulfilled** in service-to spouse, children, affiliations (including vocation), community. We are NOT free to bug-out when we feel like it. I had a close friend on chemo who would have preferred death every day for two years until finally it got him. He owned guns but he did not consider that an option for the reason expressed by guitarest: sons, wife, family, community -- God. Excellent post Guitarest -- not condemning, but honest. We must all "go" -- there is no escape. We each have an appointed "time." The only thing we can do is our best for our spouse, kids, etc. (and in my case for God). The rest is out of our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californiaman Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 If I had to be married to Cortney Love I think I'd be a junkie too. Yeah, me too. Hey she really dropped off the radar in the last couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruznolfart Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 You don't have a clue what addiction is like I do. And, for the most part, I agree with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluemoon Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Empathy...it is a good quality to possess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhrT Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Just to let you guys know what was left of him. I'm sorry. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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