MorrisrownSal Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 I don’t see him post any more, but Rich Gionatti I believe is in a jug band. That’s what I think of when I hear the term Old Time Music. Murph get some Byrds on? Some old Dylan? Old rockabilly even? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted April 17, 2022 Author Share Posted April 17, 2022 I did; Shady Grove Blue Ridge Mountain Blues King Of The Road Dark Hollow Goin' Down The Road Feelin' Bad It was a small turnout, and the weaker players are always the loudest, but I did meet a mandolin player who knew some old stuff, and he fell in love with my old Gibson mandolin that was once owned by Scotty Stoneman and has a "STONEMAN" sticker in it. He knew of Scotty and even took pictures of it. It was worth a few hours of my time and I'm glad I went. Thanks, all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuestionMark Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Murph said: I did; Shady Grove Blue Ridge Mountain Blues King Of The Road Dark Hollow Goin' Down The Road Feelin' Bad It was a small turnout, and the weaker players are always the loudest, but I did meet a mandolin player who knew some old stuff, and he fell in love with my old Gibson mandolin that was once owned by Scotty Stoneman and has a "STONEMAN" sticker in it. He knew of Scotty and even took pictures of it. It was worth a few hours of my time and I'm glad I went. Thanks, all. Cool! Glad it went well! QM aka “Jazzman” Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Solo with mando? Blue Ridge Mountain Blues is a keeper’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share Posted April 18, 2022 8 hours ago, fortyearspickn said: Solo with mando? Blue Ridge Mountain Blues is a keeper’ I don't get the question? I didn't play any mandolin, because a mando player came, I DID bring my old 1933 Gibson mando though, and he dug it. HE played several mandolin breaks in several songs. I did play my resonator on a song or two, and even played banjo when a guy did "Wagon Wheel." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissouriPicker Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 I wonder what “old time” music was to folks in The Dark Ages. Maybe some Viking war chant or Hunnish dirge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted April 27, 2022 Author Share Posted April 27, 2022 8 hours ago, MissouriPicker said: I wonder what “old time” music was to folks in The Dark Ages. Maybe some Viking war chant or Hunnish dirge. And, I actually knew this was gonna be a small event, 4/5/6 players and some audience. So I figured "King Of The Road" would be okay, and it was. Heck, a guy did wagon wheel! It's hard to get people to do ANYTHING these days. Buncha slackers.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 So ... it wasn't a Hootenanny ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwalker201 Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 Out of the 4/5/ or 6 I bet you were the best of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 18 hours ago, MissouriPicker said: I wonder what “old time” music was to folks in The Dark Ages. Maybe some Viking war chant or Hunnish dirge. Hitting something with a stick, not sure if there is an thing more basic that that to make a sound. Like Ian Dury sang "Hit me with your rhythm stick - Hit me hit me - Two fat clicks - Hit me with your rhythm stick - Hit me" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbiii Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) On 4/17/2022 at 7:12 AM, Murph said: I did; Shady Grove Blue Ridge Mountain Blues King Of The Road Dark Hollow Goin' Down The Road Feelin' Bad It was a small turnout, and the weaker players are always the loudest, but I did meet a mandolin player who knew some old stuff, and he fell in love with my old Gibson mandolin that was once owned by Scotty Stoneman and has a "STONEMAN" sticker in it. He knew of Scotty and even took pictures of it. It was worth a few hours of my time and I'm glad I went. Thanks, all. I really like this kind of discussion! I am in my Texas home right now, and I actually did some kind of jam or band practice (side man for my daughter's DEAD GIRL SONG band -- mostly finger style guitar, harmonica and flat picked guitar) every day. A nice week after a long lockup in Georgia. One called itself old time, one Cajun, and the rest bluegrass -- all were organized as a song circle -- the bluegrass sessions had more breaks. Lots of breaks. None of these would pass for bluegrass in North GA. I really like bluegrass jamming rules even if it is not bluegrass. This is my article on bluegrass jamming. https://barnwell.ece.gatech.edu/rolesx.htm Soo What model is the 33 mandolin? Since it belonged to Scotty, maybe F5 or similar? Which version of Shady Grove -- Doc Watson with the minor, or the straight bang and go almost one chord older version. The first is a fine finger style version which is oddly not well known in bluegrass circles but very well known to folkies. Did you get harmony -- on the whole song? On the chorus? I actually did blue ridge mountain blues once this week, forgetting that the chorus changes -- that makes it a bit of a jam buster for bluegrass harmony singers who like an unchanging chorus. Did you sing harmony? In the Cajun session, I mostly played rhythm guitar and harmonica and hung on. Not too good a fit. In the old time, rhythm guitar and clawhammer banjo and a bit s singing -- only an approximate fit for bluegrass style harmony. I often go out with my dear friend Dr. Kelly Moore - an excellent singer and clawhammer banjo player. This week all of those songs showed up somewhere except KING OF THE ROAD. I often sang harmony if appropriate, and I did lead on DARK HOLLOW once. I do that in D -- high lonesome. What about you? Alone and retired, for me this is as good as it gets.🙂 Here is Kelly doing A ROVING ON A WINTER'S NIGHT -- from an online JAMULUS sessions a few weeks ago. JAMULUS is good, but live s better. As they say, she can sing tenor to a dog whistle. Like I often say Let's pick, -Tom Edited April 28, 2022 by tpbiii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted April 28, 2022 Author Share Posted April 28, 2022 35 minutes ago, tpbiii said: Soo What model is the 33 mandolin? Since it belonged to Scotty, maybe F5 or similar? It's an A-00 I bought from George Gruhn back when he was still on Broadway. He even wrote me a letter to go with it, for future generations, mentioning Scotty. Chris Thile knows who Scotty was and tried to steal it once. Just kidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted April 28, 2022 Author Share Posted April 28, 2022 42 minutes ago, tpbiii said: Which version of Shady Grove -- I'm a huge fan of the Garcia / Grisman version. I do it in Dm, about the same speed, but I have a special needs student who will invariably speed it up and just stay in Dm during my breaks (he has dexterity issues as well) and he was there that night and did it... So, we'll call it an alternative version... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbiii Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) I got this 34. I wonder what the differences are. For the banjos, it was really only the adjustable truss rod. For guitars, the bracing. too I found this one at a local SAM ASH -- someone had sold it to them. Go figure. Here is my daughter playing in a show in 2012 Edited April 28, 2022 by tpbiii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted April 28, 2022 Author Share Posted April 28, 2022 Wow, that's almost identical, mine has the Gibson "open book" headstock, and the binding around the oval hole is single. The tailpiece cover looks the same. Ebony bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbiii Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Murph said: I'm a huge fan of the Garcia / Grisman version. I do it in Dm, about the same speed, but I have a special needs student who will invariably speed it up and just stay in Dm during my breaks (he has dexterity issues as well) and he was there that night and did it... So, we'll call it an alternative version.. Yea, I remember that CD -- I think I have that CD somewhere. Seems like they did a bunch of folk songs in Jerry's basement -- just the two of them on guitar and mandolin. Not too up tempo. I don't have any presentable recordings of my late wife and me doing either version. Odd, because we did it a bit for 50 years, but there was no plan. I have an unpublished version I found in an obscure collection I did after my wife died -- trying to see if there was anything left of the solo me. I don't worry about presentable anymore. Here is any even worst recording. Some n the umgf wanted to here the two versions open finger style on a particular 1934 0-17 Martin. I should have been wiser, but like I said I don't worry about such things anymore. Best, -Tom Edited April 28, 2022 by tpbiii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted April 29, 2022 Author Share Posted April 29, 2022 Cool videos, Tom. John Prine surely had an old soul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted April 30, 2022 Author Share Posted April 30, 2022 On 4/28/2022 at 7:13 AM, tpbiii said: Yea, I remember that CD -- I think I have that CD somewhere. Seems like they did a bunch of folk songs in Jerry's basement -- just the two of them on guitar and mandolin. I think it's a great album. Garcia/Grisman : Shady Grove. Gillian Welch and Dave Rawlings recently did an album of traditional stuff entitled "All The Good Times Are Past And Gone" which is mighty fine, as well. I really like under-produced projects with just a few instruments. Actually did one myself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbiii Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Murph said: Actually did one myself. Nice mandolin😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted April 30, 2022 Author Share Posted April 30, 2022 38 minutes ago, tpbiii said: Nice mandolin😉 That's actually Owen Malone playing my Gibson mandolin on that song. I'm playing my Gibson J-15. In the picture he's the one on the left holding the guitar. We swapped instruments a lot on that project, and wanted it to sound like 2 guys sitting on a porch. I play mandolin on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 I love the simplicity when two talented artist get together and nothing is over produced. I remember when Eric Clapton did the MTV Unplugged in it's third season and I was blown away. After that performance I started watching "Unplugged" performances from artist that I would had never given a listen to. That also got me where I wanted to go acoustic. Here's two of my favorite collaborations. Bury Me Beneath The Weeping Willow Mansions For Me There's More Pretty Girls Than One Memories Of Mother And Dad Where The Soul Of Man Never Dies Talk About Suffering Will The Roses Bloom Tennessee Blues The Old Crossroads Have You Someone In Heaven Awaiting Here Comes My Baby Back Again There Goes My Everything She Called Me Baby I Gotta Have My Baby Back Nobody Wins Loving Her Was Easier I Really Don't Want To Know For The Good Times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbiii Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 9 hours ago, Dave F said: Here's two of my favorite collaborations. Very familiar with the first -- not the second. We did hundreds of such songs, but were essentially not interested in making recordings in the usual commercial sense -- music is something we did with others, basically on the fly. The ON THE FLY part of the process it what drove us -- different every time. Different instruments, different voices, different keys,different rhythm, etc. During the great pandemic, I did some online multitracking -- beats nothing. Here is an example. Cellphone audio. Here is an early JAMULUS live jam- I have 120+ from last year. A true jam -- the fiddle player does not know the song. Lots of small flaws -- internet distortion, internet timing, usual real jamming issues, ... -- but a real jam for people in two States (TX, GA) and another country (NS, Canada) -- three time zones. Beats the hell out of nothing. And it does have the fascinating no rehearsal spontaneous leads that makes this stuff so compelling. At least for us. A jam can be so much more compelling than highly rehearsed because of the extra dimension of the musical interactions. Let's pick -- maybe on line -Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwalker201 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 The live jam session is really cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 20 hours ago, tpbiii said: Very familiar with the first -- not the second. .......................................... During the great pandemic, I did some online multitracking -- beats nothing. Here is an example. ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' Here is an early JAMULUS live jam- I have 120+ from last year. A true jam -- the fiddle player does not know the song. Lots of small flaws -- internet distortion, internet timing, usual real jamming issues, ... -- but a real jam for people in two States (TX, GA) and another country (NS, Canada) -- three time zones. Beats the hell out of nothing. And it does have the fascinating no rehearsal spontaneous leads that makes this stuff so compelling. At least for us. A jam can be so much more compelling than highly rehearsed because of the extra dimension of the musical interactions. Let's pick -- maybe on line -Tom The second one is a very basic setup of Ernie Ford – lead vocals, Glen Campbell – acoustic guitars, harmony vocals, Chuck Domanico – bass fiddle doing some popular songs from the 50's and 60's. I found it very enjoyable, but I've always liked Ernie Ford. You Jamulus looks like a lot of fun. I wouldn't mind trying it. I always enjoy your videos and your perspective on vintage instruments. Looks like you get a lot of enjoyment from it. Maybe we will pick! -Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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