Bill_B Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Just purchase a new Southern Jumbo. Specs show open back tuners, but mine has Grover Rotomatic tuners. Has anyone else purchase a new one lately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 39 minutes ago, IGO2UA said: Just purchase a new Southern Jumbo. Specs show open back tuners, but mine has Grover Rotomatic tuners. Has anyone else purchase a new one lately? Gibson changes specs like porn stars change partners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, IGO2UA said: Just purchase a new Southern Jumbo. Specs show open back tuners, but mine has Grover Rotomatic tuners. Has anyone else purchase a new one lately? I seriously doubt a new Southern Jumbo will have Rotomatics. Who did you buy it from? What year is it? How about posting some pictures. Edited May 27, 2022 by Dave F 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 I did a quick search. If the SJ is a few years old, they did use them for the "Traditional Southern Jumbo" Model. Whatever that means. http://legacy.gibson.com/Products/Acoustic-Instruments/Round-Shoulder/Gibson-Acoustic/Traditional-Southern-Jumbo/Specs.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 The label on the guitar above seems to be a 2013 model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_B Posted May 27, 2022 Author Share Posted May 27, 2022 I just unboxed mine today. It was made the 62nd day of this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, IGO2UA said: I just unboxed mine today. It was made the 62nd day of this year. I'd be pissed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) Yep, it clearly states tuner are open back. In case you have never seen it, this blub is on the page just under where it says Miscellaneous: In order to continually improve the design, quality and performance of our products and instruments and to make use of the best materials at all times, Gibson reserves the right to change specifications without notice. https://www.gibson.com/en-US/Guitar/ACCYBI462/Southern-Jumbo-Original/Vintage-Sunburst Edited May 27, 2022 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_B Posted May 27, 2022 Author Share Posted May 27, 2022 I’m not complaining the guitar plays really good. Just wondering if anyone else bought one recently with the rotomatics. When I figure out how to get pics small enough to post I’ll post them. Below the specs on the Southern Jumbo it states; ”In order to continually improve the design, quality and performance of our products and instruments and to make use of the best materials at all times, Gibson reserves the right to change specifications without notice.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dave F Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) If it's any conciliation, I bought one of the 2020 '42 Banner SJ a couple years ago. The tuners were white plastic open gear. They were so cheap they squeaked every time I used them. I replaced them with Waverly's. I'm sure the Rotomatics are better quality than what I received, Edited May 28, 2022 by Dave F 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Bill_B said: Doesn’t look bad, just to the SJ aficionado’s, I’m sure their not onboard with it. Edited May 27, 2022 by Sgt. Pepper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 14 hours ago, Dave F said: If it's any conciliation, I bought one of the 2020 '42 Banner SJ a couple years ago. The tuners were white plastic open gear. They were so cheap they squeaked every time I used them. I replaced them with Waverly's. I'm sure the Rotomatics are better quality than what I received, I've never understood the disdain for the Grovers. The ones on my J-45 RW/ebony are nearly 20 years old, most of the gold is worn off. They look great and work perfect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 Agree, the ones I've got on my J45 Custom are nearly 10 and work great. Look clunky, can't see the gear, which is cool. But I supose it keeps the dirt out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyd Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I find Rotomatics very ugly, but as they say, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". But that doesn't seem to be the issue here - taking the OP at his word, Gibson did not build his guitar to the specs they have published. That is just wrong. If they are going to do that then the specs should be updated on their site or some explanation should be provided for the change. I would also be unhappy about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I agree with the functionality and reliability and I have them on some of my guitars. I really like the locking versions I have on my Chet CG. Aesthetically I prefer the white button looks on some acoustics and the lighter weight. I prefer the look of Imperials on some guitars. I prefer the look of black buttons on some guitars. I prefer chrome butter beans on my Martin's. I had the ones shown on a Hummingbird. I swapped out the buttons for pearlized. Did not like the look. If I remember correctly, the one screw that holds the tuner on is in line with the standard Waverly's and Grovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hall Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I wouldn't be in any hurry to change them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, fortyearspickn said: Agree, the ones I've got on my J45 Custom are nearly 10 and work great. Look clunky, can't see the gear, which is cool. But I supose it keeps the dirt out. I've had both on my acoustics, and never have I ever had to get out a can of compressed air and blow, any crud out of an open back tuner. Where is it that you play yours, in a mud bog? I play mine in my house. Edited May 28, 2022 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars68 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 Many manufacturing companies have been suffering all kinds of material supply issues, due to Covid and more lately the war in Ukraine interfering with world trade. The economy is truly global these days and supply chains are interconnected. I bet the change in tuners is due to some kind of supply issue. Lars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyd Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I agree, but that's no excuse for failing to notify customers of the change. No "supply chain" is needed to update their website and provide an explanation to their dealers and customers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, Boyd said: I agree, but that's no excuse for failing to notify customers of the change. No "supply chain" is needed to update their website and provide an explanation to their dealers and customers. This is on Gibson's website, and the reason they put it there, is so they don't have to inform everyone when there is a change. It's their easy out, and what makes it the company you guys/girls/what you identify as (wanted to include everyone so I'm not seen as that guy) know and love. ”In order to continually improve the design, quality and performance of our products and instruments and to make use of the best materials at all times, Gibson reserves the right to change specifications without notice.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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