Psykolele Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) hello friends, me again, I would like to know specifically what so many numbers mean in the part of the serial number, I want to know what so many strange numbers mean to me, thank you very much. (SJ22VSGAB) ? Edited September 23, 2022 by Psykolele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 First off what model on guitar do you have? J45 , SJ, or? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duluthdan Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Digit 1 and 5 are the year hence 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psykolele Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 55 minutes ago, slimt said: First off what model on guitar do you have? J45 , SJ, or? SJ 200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, duluthdan said: Digit 1 and 5 are the year hence 2017 I believe he is asking about all of the gobbledygook in the model number. While admittedly I do not know squat about how Bozeman identifies their guitars, I believe the "VS" stands for either Vintage Series or Vintage Sunburst. Hey, you do not want to confuse it with a guitar with a V or VOS in the model designation. For all I know "G" stands for guitar to make sure you know it is not a uke or mandolin. What the "22" before the VSG or "48" after it signifies, I do not have a clue. Edited September 23, 2022 by zombywoof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevendaymelee Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) Well, first off, the checklist was done on November Twenty F, Two-thousand and One-F. So right off the bat, the person doing the list is getting his numbers and letters all mixed up... not to mention his letters are backwards. Edited September 23, 2022 by Sevendaymelee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Here's a sample of the s/n Here's probably more info than you want - Gibson codes Over they years I've collected examples of these Gibson model numbers and codes. So, for those interested, I'm listing what I have collected below, decoded correctly for the most part - if you find something that needs correcting, please let me know. In 2014 Gibson started adding the year of manufacture to some of the model numbers it creates. I have a similar collection of model numbers and codes for the electric division - so I posted that too. And remember - Gibson is consistently inconsistent, so changes WILL occur in usage and form. In 1985 Gibson stopped labeling seconds, but some model numbers still end in 1. I think Gibson reassigned the number for the hand - 1=RH, 2=LH, and in Acoustic division: 3=RH with pick up, and 4=LH with pick up. ACOUSTIC DIVISION - These codes and model numbers have been used by Montana since the start. It's broken up into four parts. Well, five parts now because in 2014 Gibson start sticking in two digits for the year of manufacture. Type (appears at the beginning of the model number) - RS Round Shoulder J-45 type SS Square Shoulder Hummingbird type SJ Super Jumbo type J8 J-180 Jumbo type LS L-series small body type AS Acoustic electric AC Acoustic (no pickup) Finish - AT Antique Walnut (Natural finished top, Dark walnut stained back & sides) AN Antique Natural (light toner added) VS Vintage Sunburst ( Tobacco Burst) The new marketer has renamed this one the "sunset burst". Sigh.... CH Cherry (Dove red) VCS Vintage Cherry Sunburst HCS Heritage Cherry Sunburst (real hummingbird) AE Antique Ebony (Black)Light toner for gold looking binding EB Black (No Toner)(ebony) TB Triburst Hardware - NH - Nickel Hardware CH - Chrome Hardware GH - Gold Hardware Hand - 1=Right handed 2=Left handed 3=Right handed with pick up 4=Left handed with pick up Recent Example: AC4518VSNH AC45 - Acoustic (no pickup) J-45 18 - Manufactured 2018 VS - Vintage Sunburst NH - Nickel hardware ie: RS45TBNH1 RS45 - Round Shoulder J-45 TB - Tri-Burst finish NH - Nickel hardware 1 - right handed ie: RSSVVSNH1 RSSV - Round Shoulder Southern jumbo true Vintage VS - Vintage Sunburst NH - Nickel Hardware 1 - right handed ie: SSHBHCSNH1 SSHB - Square shoulder Hummingbird HCS - Heritage cherry sunburst NH - Nickel Hardware 1 - right handed ie: SSHCFMGH1 SSH - Square Shoulder Hummingbird C - heritage Cherry burst FM - Figured Mahogany GH - Gold Hardware 1 - right handed There are times when the number at the end of the hardware code is in reference to a lefty. This is usually a number 4. So a GH4 would be a gold hardware lefty. If there is a number 3 at the end it is usually a guitar with a pick-up. Since they put pick-ups on most of their guitars now that number is no longer used. A normally electric acoustic will be designated with a AS. The J-160E would be an AS16VSNH1. From 1990 to 1995 all of the acoustic guitars were coded with a AC (acoustic) then the model number so a J-200 would be a AC20ANGH1 The acoustic electric guitars were noted- AS. AS16VSNH1 would have been a J-160-E. 1997 they made a change to different line designations. For example the J-200 was put into the "Historic Line". The code was HL20ANGH1. 1999 they made a big change in the price list and seperated the guitars into 5 lines they were: J-200 Super Jumbo Line. They were designated SJ J-45 Round Shoulder Line. They were designated RS Hummingbird Square Shoulder Line. They were designated SS J-180 Jumbo Line. They were J8 L-series Small Body Line They were LS In 1993 they had a Starburst Studio and it was coded ASSFANGH1 Of course this guitar became the @ss fang. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ELECTRIC DIVISION - Model number and code examples: LPS6GTNH1 = LP(Les Paul) S(Standard) 6(6o's neck) GT(Gold Top) NH(Nickel Hardware) 1 (Not b stock or a 2nd - In 1985 Gibson stopped labeling seconds, but model numbers still end in 1. I think Gibson reassigned the number for the hand - 1=RH, 2=LH, and in Acoustic division: 3=RH with pick up, and 4=LH with pick up. LPSTWCCH1 = LP(Les Paul) ST(STudio) WC(Worn Cherry) CH(Chrome Hardware) 1(signifies that it is not b stock or a 2nd) LPPCHBGH1 = LP(Les Paul) P(Premium or Plus - figured top) CHB(Cherry Heritage Burst, 2 or 3 letters for the finish) GH(Gold Hardware) LPTDMSVCH1 = LP(Les Paul) TD(TraDitional) M(Mahogany top) S(Satin Vintage sunburst) CH(Chrome Hardware) LPTDSZSHCH1 = LP(Les Paul) TD(TraDitional) S(1960) Z(Zebra coil pups) SH(Satin Honeyburst) CH(Chrome Hardware) LPNSTDPTSCH1 = LP(Les Paul) N(Nashville) STD(STandarD) P(Plus) TS(Tea Burst) CH(Chrome Hardware) LPNTDCBCH1 = LP(Les Paul) N(New) TD(TraDitional) CB (Chicago Blue) CH(Chrome Hardware) *LPSCADBCH1 = LPS(Les Paul Standard) CA(Compund radius, Asymmetrical neck) DB(Desert Burst) CH(Chrome Hardware) LPDCROCH1 - LP(Les Paul) DC(Double Cut) RO (ROot beer) CH(Chrome Hardware) LPTLBNH1 - LP(Les Paul) T(Traditional) LB(Light Burst) NH(Nickel Hardware) LPTP25FD9CF1 - LP(Les Paul) TP2(Traditional Pro 2) 5(50s neck) FD(Faded? Desert burst) 9(?) CF(Chrome Floyd rose) LPSTDHSCHLH1 - LP(Les Paul) STD(STandarD) HS(Heritage cherry Sunburst) CH(Chrome Hardware) LH(Left Handed) LPSFHBNH1 - Les Paul Standard Faded Honey Burst Nickel Hardware 1 LPJ-PBCH1 - Les Paul Junior Pelham Blue Chrome Hardware 1 ~ For ES - "DT" Translation: ESDSTBKCH1 - ES335 D (Dot) S (Satin) TB (TransBlack) CH (Chrome Hardware) 1 (right handed) ESDP14CHNH1 - ES (Electric Spanish guitar series) D (Dot markers) P (Plain/Painted top) 14 (model year since 2014) CH (Cherry Heritage) NH (Nickel Hardware) 1 (right handed) ESDP16GTNH1 - ES (Electric Spanish guitar series) DP (Dual Pickups) 16 (model year since 2014) GT (Gold Top) NH (Nickel Hardware) 1 (right handed) DT = Dot (vs. block markers) per Gibson C/S as in ESDT TD = Thinline Dual pups . . . . . . . . . . as in ESTD (or for an LP, TD = TraDitional) T = Figured Top (don't know how Gibson derived that nomenclature) vs. P = Plain/Painted Top (??) DT = Dot, Figured Top (??) DP = Dual Pickups DP = Dot, Plain/Painted Top (??) . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 SJ22SVSGA8 Some new ones to me SJ Super Jumbo 22 ??????? VS Vintage Sunburst G Gold Hardware A8 ?????????? unless the A is a sloppy H and goes with the G 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Sevendaymelee said: Well, first off, the checklist was done on November Twenty F, Two-thousand and One-F. So right off the bat, the person doing the list is getting his numbers and letters all mixed up... not to mention his letters are backwards. In some places the number 7 is hand written with a horizontal slash through the middle to more clearly differentiate it from the number 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevendaymelee Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 4 hours ago, fortyearspickn said: In some places the number 7 is hand written with a horizontal slash through the middle to more clearly differentiate it from the number 1. Tell me: what other number looks like a 7? lol. I knew what it was. I was just having some fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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