marco mancini Posted May 18 Author Share Posted May 18 7 hours ago, Sgt. Pepper said: I think I told him that too. But he doesn't want to hear it. He just wants $2500 for his Rick Beato DC LP. It works the same way with any product. Companies in business that sell products don't just ship stuff to stores, and say sell it for us, and get us the cash to us when you can. Its like buying on Amazon. If you don't use some way to pay them do they ship what you ordered, N O P E. Come on dear Pepper do not turn around the pizza ! i didn't say that i want 2500 euros to trade in the guitar i want a fair estimate of a mint new guitar before the purchase of a gibson custom estimated at a cost of 7200 euros , if the dealer says that the guitar was sold at 1610 euros which is absolutely not true that means that he 's ready to trade in this guitar for 1200 euros which is totally absurd for it is now on the market at 3000 bucks ! question ; for how much he will re-sell this guitar? if he puts this guitar out at 1600 euros he should looks like bonkers to me ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eracer_Team Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 @marco mancini this forum although owned by Gibson is Only a fan forum Gibson doesn’t check here for any comments the admins delete post when they deem necessary, did I say were only a group of Gibson guitar owners here? Gibson does not care what their dealers do, Gibson only wants dealers to pay their bills its immaterial what your guitar on the used market is to a dealer could they give you $1200 for it and put it for sale at $3500 or $3000 or even $10,000? sure that’s their choice, you can’t dictate what the dealer profit margin is or will be you want what you call a fair price you sell it and combine that with other money to buy your dream guitar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NighthawkChris Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 Oh man, I’ve seen this kind of rant over and over on these forums. It’s like the people who post these kind of things were born yesterday. At least this wasn’t a GC thread, because they openly advertise that you are getting about 60% of the money that they sell your used guitar for. At least that was what they said a few years ago… I just sell my gear myself because it’s what I found works best for me. I don’t trade or sell to “dealers”. I also deal with more stuff to some extent to facilitate a sale, but is what it is. I bought it for X dollars somewhere - on me. I don’t want a guitar anymore - again, on me. Seems like this one is on the OP too… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 1 hour ago, Farnsbarns said: Interestingly there's a mint example on Reverb right now for £1900. If he sold it for that he'd have to pay £380 in vat. On that basis the most he's likely to get out of it is £1520, and that's before any over heads. Maybe Marco doesn't understand that businesses have to make money on a trade in. I'm an American what the hell is VAT? I assume some sort of tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 It seems everyone here is wrong except Marco! Hmmm🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco mancini Posted May 19 Author Share Posted May 19 21 hours ago, Eracer_Team said: Gibson does not care what their dealers do, Well that means that at DAIMLER BENZ they don't care of what Mercedes dealers do ?...... or you know at TESLA they do not give a damn on the commercial policies of their dealers . I have a TESLA with 1000 miles on the clock and i want a new model and want to trade in mine the vendors says ...... well i coundn't care less of your car and your money . come on don't make me laugh ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco mancini Posted May 19 Author Share Posted May 19 1 hour ago, Sgt. Pepper said: He may be right, but it appears he will not be getting his way. A hissy fit or tantrum in the store might just do the trick though. Pepper i don't know in the States but in Italy they do not have the basic knowledge on how to sell guitars , and that is why you see the same gibson guitars stuck on the wall over and over again , nobody wants to buy when you enter in a shop and the store clerk is rude or with a stiff upper lip , or do not come over to say hello may i help you sir ,with a smile . if You have the Gibson licence to sell their guitars which are on average at 3500 bucks , you must be knowledgable and trained on that job . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 I see its cloudy in Milan this morning. Should improve this afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eracer_Team Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 16 minutes ago, merciful-evans said: I see its cloudy in Milan this morning. Should improve this afternoon. No I predict the purple haze will not lift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 My wife's over there in Italy now. Third generation Italian immigrant. By the time Marco gets through dealing with her, he'll lose everything and like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) 51 minutes ago, badbluesplayer said: My wife's over there in Italy now. Third generation Italian immigrant. By the time Marco gets through dealing with her, he'll lose everything and like it. 3rd generation Italian immigrant means she is like me - an American. Edited May 20 by Sgt. Pepper 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 1 hour ago, Sgt. Pepper said: 3rd generation Italian immigrant means she is like me - an American. Her Grandmother was born in Calabria. She was so Catholic that she died on Good Friday. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco mancini Posted May 20 Author Share Posted May 20 6 hours ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Marco, why not open a Guitar Shop and run it the right way, and see how fun and easy it is? I'll bet its not. Bills, employees, merchandise, shipping stuff, receiving stuff etc. And then there is always those pesky things called customers who what everything handed to them on a plate. Dear Pepper , i see that you are a Gibson PR with some assignment in the company , but you are right , before i buy a les paul custom shop for 7000 k , you ought to tell me the exact day it arrives , the badge number on the headstock , the name of the luthier who puts together the guitar , and an up to date feedback on the stages of construction , after that i could sign the contract and give you a deposit . the era of giving a deposit to a Gibson dealer without knowing anything for a year and maybe receiving a faulted guitar should be put to an end , being you a Gibson P.r. you could report this to those people in the office , all right ? Fai il bravo dai ! 🙏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 lolz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco mancini Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 11 hours ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Ask anyone here, I'm a Martin guy. I sold every Gibson I owned when Gibson had to oust Henry J (now two CEO's ago). All your moaning is getting you nothing. Gibson is not going to come to the town you live in and make that store meet your price demands. Gibson ships guitar to stores when they are ordered and paid for. They are now the stores property and can do what they want with them, sell, destroy, give away, whatever, but you have no say what the store must give you for a trade. You and the store talk it out. And if the store doesn't not want to pay you what you want, well they don't have to. Are you not finding this out with your current experience? You just are not getting it are you. Here is an idea. Sell the Rick Beato guitar yourself. You might get more that what that store wants to give you. Then since you must have the Lira or Euros you can buy that really expensive LP. Oh gosh ,..... Well if you are Martin guy you should ask them why on earth you pay 3500 bucks for an american built Standard series 0018 to have a guitar that when changes continent is inflating itself like a ball with bindings getting unstuck everywhere, and why a less expensive Mexican model is much more reliable , but you know that is another pair of trousers . as far as the rick beato i sold it privately for 2600 euro , of course the collateral damage for gibson is that i will never get back there to order a LP custom , if these are their commercial policies they can keep their guitars stuck on the wall . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Geez, if Marco thinks Sgt Pepper is a Gibson employee he's on the wrong track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 22 hours ago, Sgt. Pepper said: 3rd generation Italian immigrant means she is like me - an American. Being a 3rd generation Italian immigrant means she's a third generation Italian immigrant too. What are you, the ethnicity sensitivity police, or some citizenship rating committee? The American for Americans of America committee? I grew up in thew New York area. I had mostly Italian friends. If I smoked twelve joints with you you'd probably still have something smart to say. You got like three friends on here. One of them is me. Don't make it two. Dang! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 26 minutes ago, badbluesplayer said: Geez, if Marco thinks Sgt Pepper is a Gibson employee he's on the wrong track. Yep, he apparently hasn't read many of my posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 23 hours ago, Sgt. Pepper said: I was born in this place called Passaic, NJ. I'm an American. My relatives came over 3 or 4 generations ago as well. I have Czech and Dutch in my bloodline, but if your born in the States your an American, I think that is how it works. Wait I got friends. I guess you just don't get I'm a sarcastic SOB. After 12 joints I certainly would, but I'd rather do bong rips, or a dab. You might be trying to be sarcastic, but your prob is that you're an a-hole. Maybe that's your inner Passaic talking. I'm sure you've been beaten up behind some backstops for mouthing off. You don't get to decide how Americas works, just like you don't get to decide "what the point is" or what's funny. A-holes don't get to decide anything for anybody else. You just keep running your mouth and losing friends. You sure don't get to decide how other people see themselves, Cap'n America. Chief. Son. LL. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eracer_Team Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Wonder how I can turn this thread from an insane trade-in allowance , to who post’s stupid comments, why your strings can’t touch the back of the bridge when you crank down the stop tail🫣😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco mancini Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 3 hours ago, Farnsbarns said: Weird thing is he did his own maths. If we're to believe that (in less than 24 hours) Marco listed and sold his guitar for €2600, and then we pretend the dealer was able to sell it for that, he'd owe €572 in VAT. Marco expected the dealer to give him €2000. In that situation the dealer would make €28 from which he has to cover all the overheads on the deal and make a living. By (pretend) selling it for €2600 Marco has absolutely proved that the dealer couldn't possibly make any money if he paid €2000. Marco seems mathematically challenged. One of the invisible overheads the dealer has is entertaining conversations like this with the mathematically challenged which will never make him a penny. Dear Farnsbarns it is you who are intellectually incapacitated and a beg you pardon of saying it , my argument is that a Gibson official dealer has the duty to treat well and keep a client , i went there to buy a 7000 bucks Gibson guitar and i hardly understand how they manage to let a Gibson clients run away like that , this is the main point , on top of that he has demostrated to be stupid because he just needed to ask 7600 and put that 600 on my trade -in Rick Beato . this demonstrate how out of touch they are on selling guitars especially GIBSON M2M . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Sgt. Pepper for crying out loud KNOCK IT OFF!!! This is your final warning 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Just now, Farnsbarns said: Damn, I miss all the fun. 🤣 I got a notification he'd quoted me but nothing here 😭. The mystery will keep me awake now. I think my posts got deleted. I didn't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 20 minutes ago, Farnsbarns said: I'm going to assume it was something in poor taste. Of course. But it was someone else’s taste not mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 6 hours ago, duane v said: Sgt. Pepper for crying out loud KNOCK IT OFF!!! This is your final warning I can't thank you enough! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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