rallen Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 To be honest, the pots and pick-up switch cavities were not designed by Stradivari either. They are there for practicality, not tonal characteristics. The long sustain must be a function of low tension on the strings, with them being shorter than other guitars? I am guessing here. Secondly, it would appear that the top maple layer is important for the sound created (quoting that Gibson guy), in some particular way, regardless of the mahogany substrate with all its *huge* pot cavities and weight-relief holes. My experience with mahogany is that it is very dense, you burn your saw blade trying to cut through it. It is also very heavy and finally it does not warp. However when I enquired as to how our ESP AX-400, also made of solid mahogany weights 1/4 of the Gibson, I was told "uses mahogany from the top of the tree, rather than the bottom". The ESP is cheap and certainly not exclusive, so light mahogany can be had easily? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 The long sustain must be a function of low tension on the strings' date=' with them being shorter than other guitars? I am guessing here. Secondly, it would appear that the top maple layer is important for the sound created (quoting that Gibson guy), in some particular way, regardless of the mahogany substrate with all its *huge* pot cavities and weight-relief holes. [/quote'] The long sustain and the clarity of tone comes mainly from the marriage of the weight of the mahogany body coupled with the 1/2 inch thick (at the centre of the body) maple 'cap'; add in the very solid and thick neck-body join and you have a fairly good formula for an electric guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calgary Flametop Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Hey Are Nine. You originally said that chabered Les Pauls weighed in at well over 9 lbs and I said that they should weigh around 7.5 lbs. Nice try on reworking things down to 8 lbs though. My comment on Traditional Standard was in the text that his Standard was not a Traditional. You sure were digging deep for more to hash me on that one. My listing of when Gibson started chambering was taken straight from the Gisbson website. If they have it listed wrong, whatever, I will e-mail my friend and see what he says. I did, however, just google (2007 "non chambered" Les Paul Standard) and got thousands of hits so I think your all since October 06 is way off base. Did you get that info directly from Gibson or is that hearsay from the forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80LPC Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Has anyone then got a non-weight releaved LP Custom? What would it weigh? Mine is 11 lb. Many guitars built from 'mahogany' actually use timber that has a similar appearance but is not true mahogany - such as 'Philippine mahogany' / 'Eastern mahogany' / nato. There are many 'cost effective' species that with the right finish can look similar. Despite the inevitable snobbery, they are perfectly good tonewoods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Plains Posted May 3, 2010 Author Share Posted May 3, 2010 Calgary Flametop...dude...think what you will, I really don't care. Has anyone then got a non-weight releaved LP Custom? What would it weigh? The one I just got is 9.5 lbs, according to the dealer I bought it from. It's solid with a maple cap. Weights on Customs also vary all over the place. On the extreme low side, around 8 lbs for an all mahogany '54RI or '57RI Custom, all the way up to 11 or 12 lbs for a '68RI. '68s have maple caps. pippy, I don't want to get into the whole solid vs. swiss cheese debate but I can definitely hear a difference between the two. With the amp cranked and gain on 10, no, I can't...but unplugged or with low/medium gain, yes, I can hear a difference. Not saying one is better than the other but there definitely is a slight but distinguishing difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 pippy' date=' I don't want to get into the whole solid vs. swiss cheese debate but I can definitely hear a difference between the two. With the amp cranked and gain on 10, no, I can't...but unplugged or with low/medium gain, yes, I can hear a difference. Not saying one is better than the other but there definitely is a slight but distinguishing difference.[/quote'] What? You can't possibly have heard enough about the Solid Vs. Swiss Cheese stuff! LOL!!! It's almost as good as arguing about - sorry; discussing the benefits of - Vintage Wood Vs. New Wood. :- Yes; well I can hear acoustic differences between my R0 and my Classics too; but that also means between the two Swiss-Cheesed ones (both of which were re-strung with identical sets of strings on the same day) and which have identical fittings (except for a pair of SD's fitted in place of the Ceramics one one instrument). How can I explain that? All that I would say for sure is that, acoustically, "Variations in tone can be discerned between certain examples of the same basic model of guitar". That should be un-specific enough! (I think it comes down to the individual lumps of wood used - especially for the neck - and no-one is going to change my mind, but Shhhhhhh! Don't tell anyone in case they feel they should try!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGgypsyboy Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Pure junk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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