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I received the Fralin P-90’s with Nickel Dogear Covers & the Pre-Wired Mojo Tone Wiring harness with 500k Pots, Switchcraft 3 way Switch & Jack... The Pickups  were pretty much a drop in fit. The Volume & Tone holes had to be routed a bit larger.  Otherwise it was a pretty straightforward job. My Luthier did an impeccable job.. 

First of all there is no comparison to how improved it sounds compared to the stock MIC Casino.. My first thought was, it sounds as good as my USA Casino… And my USA Casino sounds fantastic.. 

So, I did a comparison between my USA Casino & the modded MIC Casino.. I played for a good hour & a half.. Trying different Pickup switching & Tone levels.. Chords, Riffs, Rock, Blues & even my humble version of Smooth Jazz.. 

I played it through my 65 PRRI & it sounded great. Then I played it through my upgraded Vox AC10 & it sounded great.. 

Which one sounds the best? They both do.. I think the Fralin’s have a more vintage creamier sparkle to them. I’m actually blown away how good it sounds.. 

The Terada Casino’s sound very much like my USA Casino.. I think they have pretty identical Specs.. The biggest difference is mine is completely built in the USA.. And I was able to get it in Royal Tan with Nickel Dogear Covers..

How much did I spend?

The MIC Casino was free as it was a gift from my Kids..

The Pickups with Nickel Dogear Covers $260.00. 
The Wiring harness about $160.00. 
Luthier $180.00..
Total $500.00.. The Guitar sounds like a $Million Bucks though! I mean it really f’n does!

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On 2/12/2024 at 7:08 AM, Sgt. Pepper said:

Lindy wires killer pickups. Now you know. Dropped his pups many times in guitars I used to have.

When I called Lindy answered the Phone.. His other Guys were on Calls so he picked up.. I got ask a lot of questions.. He was extremely helpful in making sure we got everything right the first time.. And we did. My Luthier said the P-90’s fit exactly.. The holes for Volume & Tone needed to routed a bit but otherwise a straightforward install.

Man these Pickups sound goooood!!!And the 500k Pots do make a noticeable difference in Volume & Tone settings…

My impression is he’s a great Guy! 

 

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18 hours ago, Larsongs said:

When I called Lindy answered the Phone.. His other Guys were on Calls so he picked up.. I got ask a lot of questions.. He was extremely helpful in making sure we got everything right the first time.. And we did. My Luthier said the P-90’s fit exactly.. The holes for Volume & Tone needed to routed a bit but otherwise a straightforward install.

Man these Pickups sound goooood!!!And the 500k Pots do make a noticeable difference in Volume & Tone settings…

My impression is he’s a great Guy! 

 

I've talked to Lindy a time or two. That is how you do it. The top guy who owns the company gets on the phone with the common man.

That is customer service.

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On 2/15/2024 at 12:23 PM, Dub-T-123 said:

$600 is a serious chunk of change to dump on a Chinese Casino. I’m happy I’m not afraid to solder. Glad you’re enjoying the upgrades though

The Guitar was free. $500.00 for Fralin P90’s with Nickel Dogear Covers & Mojotone Pre-Wired Electronics, 500k Pots, Switchcraft Jack & 3 way Switch & Included my Luthier to put it all together.. 

It is the equivalent of any Terada Elite or Elitist or USA Casino as far as Sound goes.. Check the Prices on any of those.. Even if you paid $400-$500 for a new or used MIC Casino it would be worth it because it turns a not so great sounding Guitar into a really great sounding Guitar!

There is no Casino in the $900-$1000 range that I know of that would compare.. 

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It adds up to $600 though. The cost of the pickups is what it is. The $340 for controls and installation really seems like a lot

 

rerouting the holes is a difficult sounding way of saying he took 30 seconds to ream out the holes with a 3/8” drill bit

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On 2/17/2024 at 6:36 AM, Dub-T-123 said:

It adds up to $600 though. The cost of the pickups is what it is. The $340 for controls and installation really seems like a lot

 

rerouting the holes is a difficult sounding way of saying he took 30 seconds to ream out the holes with a 3/8” drill bit

Those are the Retail prices..

Did I mention the Guitar was a Gift from my kids. It was Free to me..  I can’t ever sell it.. What else can I do. I love my kids & like the Guitar so I want to play it. But not with those harsh Ice Picky Pickups! 

For my Luthier I doubt any part of that install was difficult.. As for costing too much? How much do you think a USA Casino or Terada Casino costs these days? My modded Casino sounds as good as any of those.. I know because I own a USA Casino, a Ltd. Edition 1961 Reissue Casino & a John Lennon Revolution Casino... 

You must not like Casino's.. Because having one that's as good as any USA or Terada Casino for about $900-$1000 is a steal.. To each his own.. 

I have a 2013 Gibson Memphis ES-335 with 57's that aren't very impressive IMO.. Compared to the Vintage 1959 ES-345 with PAF's I used to own.. Nowhere near! Im thinking of getting some Thro-Baks.. They are about $400 each.. And I think they'll be worth it.. 

To me Sound is everything.. 

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I’m not really debating anything, just said $340 is a lot of money for controls and installation. 
 

I’m not sure if there’s a cut and dry answer on when Gibson stopped using 300K pots. I’m sure they ordered a gazillion of them and just continued to use them up till they were gone. If your 335 has 300K pots it’s kinda unfair to evaluate any Gibson style pickups under those conditions. 
 

I always suggest to people here that rather than jumping straight to replacement pickups they should get a proper set of 500k  pots and reevaluate. If you change pickups and pot values at the same time then you have no idea what difference either change made. It’s very possible that the correct pot value makes the change that you actually want regardless of the pickup

 

Of course in this case when you’re spending $340 to get that done it’s not as practical of a suggestion as it would normally be 

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Re; my 2013 Memphis ES-335 Dot.. I found this on the Gear Page.. So the Wiring, Pots & Caps aren’t the issue.. Also, in 2013 they started using MHS Pickups in that model…

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From a little research on this model, the 2013's have the "Memphis Tone Circuit" which is 500K pots & 50's wiring so I believe you are GTG. If you don't have an ohm meter, 300K pots were all "linear" in design. So if that was the case, once you turn the volume from 0-2, you will hear an immediate jump in volume. The 500K pots will have a gentle sweep and really wont get to the louder end of the post until "7" or so. That is the characteristic of a audio taper pot.

Also to verify Memphis Tone (50's wiring), the guitar will stay bright when you lower the volume knob. Also the tone pots will have very effect until they are down to 3-4 or so as you roll them down. 

These are not technical explanations, just characteristics. I rewired 3 semi-hollow body guitars and it is a royal PIA & dont wish it on anyone, but I think you should be OK as far as specs.

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4 hours ago, Dub-T-123 said:

If your benchmark is a 59 then it’s a problem to have the Memphis tone circuit. They weren’t using the Memphis tone circuit in 59

Yeah, I’m rethinking making any changes to the ES-335.. Maybe I’ll sell it & get a different one.. Maybe consider a 345 or a 355 too…I’m not sure?

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I chose to upgrade the Wiring & Electronics at the same time as upgrading the Pickups. It cost more but since the Guitar was free I thought I could splurge..

Although, the majority seem to just upgrade the Pickups which accomplishes great Sound. And saves money..

The upgraded Wiring & Electronics allows for some sweet additional nuances.. Which are great but not essential to accomplish the great Sound of these Fralin P-90’s.. 

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