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Tim Plains

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How do I know if I have a big one? *here come the jokes* lol

Is there a way of telling without cutting your guitar in half?

Your Standard? No' date=' you don't have long neck tenon. You have to buy a Custom Shop reissue LP for that. If you check out the Lesters on Gibsoncustom you'll see which ones have long tenon under the 'Neck & Headstock' list. I think every one except the current LP Custom has long.

 

The tenon in the '08 Standards has also been modified...to what extent, I don't know.

 

You and I probably have that 'transitional' tenon from the pictures posted above - where it just reaches the pickup cavity. I haven't pulled my pickups out yet to confirm this...so, I'm going on pure speculation right now. :-({|=

 

Am I right, anybody?

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led floyd9

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The longer the neck tenon, the better sustain you have. That's why bolt on necks don't have great sustain, because they hardly (if they have one at all) have a tenon, which means it hardly has contact with the body wood, making the guitar have less sustain. Set necks have good sustain becuase the neck tenon meets more with the body wood making the sustain longer. Neck through guitars have supposedly the best sustain because the neck actually IS the middle section of the guitar's body, making the sustain the longest out of production models.

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You know I have longs, regulars and bolt (screw) on neck guitars and I can't say one beats the other hands down inspite of all the documentation & testimonials. Unless a clinical type test is the measuring stick on this one, it seems more applicable as to skill, style, technique and equipment being the true determining factor. The longs usually suggest a more expensive instrument with more special features in most instances, but there still is no sustitute for know how.

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The longer the neck tenon' date=' the better sustain you have. That's why bolt on necks don't have great sustain, because they hardly (if they have one at all) have a tenon, which means it hardly has contact with the body wood, making the guitar have less sustain. [/quote']

 

That's an overly broad generalization, and I completely disagree with it. I have several guitars with bolt on necks that have excellent sustain. There is much more in play with "sustain" than just the neck joint.

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Raptor

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so what neck tenon would be on a les paul standard' date=' from 2008?

 

any help is awesome, thanks yall[/quote']

 

I have seen nothing stating that 2008 Gibson USA tenons have changed. With Gibson USA, so much more is mass produced that I cannot see them making a special neck for the Standard. I can't see Gibson bringing back a new tenon. They have the knowledge and tooling to make the short and the long, so bringing back the transitional makes no sense to me.

Tim, the transitional tenon came in to being around mid 1969 and was phased out around 75 or 76.

As to what it affects. The main thing is that the long tenon is historically accurate. Bolt on necks, short tenon necks, have never been proven to have any less tone or sustain than a long tenon guitar. It is all personal opinion and there has been no emperical proof to the contrary. My longest sustaining LP is my Supreme which has a short tenon. Yes, a weak neck joint can have a negative affect on sustain, but you can have a poorly joined long tenon, just as well as you can have a poorly joined short one. So one is not better than another so much as they are just different.

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I have seen nothing stating that 2008 Gibson USA tenons have changed. With Gibson USA' date=' so much more is mass produced that I cannot see them making a special neck for the Standard. I can't see Gibson bringing back a new tenon. They have the knowledge and tooling to make the short and the long, so bringing back the transitional makes no sense to me.

Tim, the transitional tenon came in to being around mid 1969 and was phased out around 75 or 76.

As to what it affects. The main thing is that the long tenon is historically accurate. Bolt on necks, short tenon necks, have never been proven to have any less tone or sustain than a long tenon guitar. It is all personal opinion and there has been no emperical proof to the contrary. My longest sustaining LP is my Supreme which has a short tenon. Yes, a weak neck joint can have a negative affect on sustain, but you can have a poorly joined long tenon, just as well as you can have a poorly joined short one. So one is not better than another so much as they are just different.[/quote']

 

+1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,on the statement that "bolt on necks, and short tenon necks have NEVER been proven to have any less tone or sustain than a long tenon guitar" Thats a the myth originally perpetuated by collectors and others in one of the attempts to justify the absurd prices of original LPs. It has evolved into, "a long neck tenon has better sustain" instead of the truth it is simply historic accurate.

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led floyd9

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That's an overly broad generalization' date=' and I completely disagree with it. I have several guitars with bolt on necks that have [b']excellent[/b] sustain. There is much more in play with "sustain" than just the neck joint.

I was saying why people want longer neck tenons, because the more the neck meets the body, more sustain. To have a good sustain you also have to have good pieces of wood on your guitar, and your guitar has to built well. I didn't mean that all bolt-on neck guitars have worse sustain than all set-neck or neck-through guitars. I was saying, for instance, if there are two guitars with the same wood, same pickups, same strings, same hardware but one had a set neck and another had a bolt-on neck, that the set neck one would PROBABLY have better sustain than the bolt-on one.

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Tim Plains

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I have seen nothing stating that 2008 Gibson USA tenons have changed. With Gibson USA' date=' so much more is mass produced that I cannot see them making a special neck for the Standard. I can't see Gibson bringing back a new tenon. They have the knowledge and tooling to make the short and the long, so bringing back the transitional makes no sense to me.

Tim, the transitional tenon came in to being around mid 1969 and was phased out around 75 or 76.

As to what it affects. The main thing is that the long tenon is historically accurate. Bolt on necks, short tenon necks, have never been proven to have any less tone or sustain than a long tenon guitar. It is all personal opinion and there has been no emperical proof to the contrary. My longest sustaining LP is my Supreme which has a short tenon. Yes, a weak neck joint can have a negative affect on sustain, but you can have a poorly joined long tenon, just as well as you can have a poorly joined short one. So one is not better than another so much as they are just different.[/quote']

Here's the article I was referring to. I read it and then wasn't able to find it again to reply to you, Raptor. Luckily, somebody on MyLP also made reference to it.

 

"Gibson USA will also highlight the new Gibson Les Paul Standard ’08 featuring new neck tenon design, chambered body, upgraded electronics, Tone Pros locking bridge and tailpiece and Burstbucker Pro Pickups."

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mrktwn

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I dont know about you guys' date=' but looking at those pictures of the LP cut in half

makes me cringe!

Can you imagine doing that to your guitar? [/quote']I know! Like some kind of autopsy! Man, this whole long/short thing rings of ******baggery. Lets remember, these guitars are intended to make music on and with.

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I was saying, for instance, if there are two guitars with the same wood, same pickups, same strings, same hardware but one had a set neck and another had a bolt-on neck, that the set neck one would PROBABLY have better sustain than the bolt-on one.

 

 

Probably not. It all depends on how well the neck fits the pocket. If the fit was the same, the sustain would be the same and a poorly fit neck on a set neck would have poorer sustain than a bolt on with good fit. Part of the problem is how many people with bolt on neck guitars EVER bother to check the screws?

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Probably not. It all depends on how well the neck fits the pocket. If the fit was the same' date=' the sustain would be the same and a poorly fit neck on a set neck would have poorer sustain than a bolt on with good fit. Part of the problem is how many people with bolt on neck guitars EVER bother to check the screws? [/quote']

 

Right. Plus wood to wood contact is better tone-wise than wood to glue to wood contact.

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