callen3615 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 http://fibsons.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveinspain Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Intresting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichCI Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Cool. Now whenever somebody asks if some guitar on Craig's List or Ebay is a fake or not, I can just give them that link and call them a n00b. }> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callen3615 Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 Cool. Now whenever somebody asks if some guitar on Craig's List or Ebay is a fake or not' date=' I can just give them that link and call them a n00b. }> [/quote'] hahahaha. Totally n00bs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solacematt Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 The fake hilarious Ace Frehley one is laughably obvious too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californiaman Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Wow...this is great website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockin365 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 The fake hilarious Ace Frehley one is laughably obvious too. Makes ya wonder how anyone ended up with it. If their eyesight is that bad ya could probally pay with monopoly money! lol :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Hand Grenade Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 It makes me sick how some people can actually scam others for their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 One problem. This site is a primer for fakers, they see what the public is looking for - improving their fakes. I'm with Gibson on this one, they know what they're looking for but they don't tell everybody everything. Anytime a suspected fake has been posted here, I'm careful in sharing with the world what I notice about it. I usually send a PM to the potential buyer with my assessment in private. I dunno. Tough call for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Im looking for somnone to teach me about fakes cause NY is full of fakes! Thats why i trust GC alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Hand Grenade Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Im looking for somnone to teach me about fakes cause NY is full of fakes! Thats why i trust GC alot. Go 24/7 support on the Gibson website and search for Gibson Dealers in your area, Also when you get there tell them to sell you New Les Pauls not used ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Hand Grenade Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 One problem.This site is a primer for fakers' date=' they see what the public is looking for - improving their fakes. I'm with Gibson on this one, they know what they're looking for but they don't tell everybody everything. Anytime a suspected fake has been posted here, I'm careful in sharing with the world what I notice about it. I usually send a PM to the potential buyer with my assessment in private. I dunno. Tough call for me. [/quote'] I think Gibson should start stamping a secret code under the pickups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Maybe RF chips in the neck tenon before the top is glued on? :-) Thats why i trust GC alot. Oh, the folly of youth.... Ever seen repaired guitars at Guitar Center? I have. The Sam Ash here in town had four "vintage" guitars that were "refinished" and showed clear evidence of structural issues. You go ahead and trust them with YOUR money, let us know how that works out for you. You need to come to Arizona and spend a week with Uncle and Mrs. Neo. I could walk you through all the local guitar shops and open your eyes to a horrifying reality or two. Teach you to shoot like a marksman right outside the compound too.... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Maybe RF chips in the neck tenon before the top is glued on? Great idea which Gibson has already been doing with all their Custom guitars. See here. Neck Fit is also where the transponders that are standard equipment for every Custom Shop guitar are inserted into a tiny hole drilled in the neck tenons' date=' which makes removal virtually impossible after the necks and bodies are glued together. "In 1999 we started doing this with the R-9s," he [Keeter'] explains. "Beginning in 2000 they’ve gone into every Custom Shop guitar." Mark Case, a member of the Custom Shop’s sales force who you’re likely to see at guitar shows or other special exhibits, says each transponder — about half the size of a typical oblong headache pill — has a distinct number. They can allow guitars to be tracked during the manufacturing process with greater precision. More important to musicians and collectors, the transponders can be used to foil counterfeiters and thieves. If somebody’s trying to sell a guitar, it can be scanned to see if it belongs to another owner, is a genuine Gibson, or is a vintage guitar or a reproduction. "There have been cases of people trying to pass off our Custom Shop reissues as genuine ’59s and that sort of thing," Case says. "This is one way to stop that from happening." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 10-4 Rocketman. Gibson may appear passive in this little battle, I can assure you they are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Hand Grenade Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Maybe RF chips in the neck tenon before the top is glued on?:-) Oh' date=' the folly of youth.... Ever seen repaired guitars at Guitar Center? I have. The Sam Ash here in town had four "vintage" guitars that were "refinished" and showed clear evidence of structural issues. You go ahead and trust them with YOUR money, let us know how that works out for you. You need to come to Arizona and spend a week with Uncle and Mrs. Neo. I could walk you through all the local guitar shops and open your eyes to a horrifying reality or two. Teach you to shoot like a marksman right outside the compound too.... :-) [/quote'] I wish they had a Guitar center in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I cannot, for the life of me, imagine why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Maybe RF chips in the neck tenon before the top is glued on?:-) Oh' date=' the folly of youth.... Ever seen repaired guitars at Guitar Center? I have. The Sam Ash here in town had four "vintage" guitars that were "refinished" and showed clear evidence of structural issues. You go ahead and trust them with YOUR money, let us know how that works out for you. You need to come to Arizona and spend a week with Uncle and Mrs. Neo. I could walk you through all the local guitar shops and open your eyes to a horrifying reality or two. Teach you to shoot like a marksman right outside the compound too.... :-) [/quote'] Will there be candy? lol...would be nice to learn a few things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Keep holding their feet to the fire. If they keep improving their product to keep ahead of the counterfeit exposers, they will eventually have too much money wrapped up in their Fibson and abandon the project as not worth the effort. --- or ---- they'll be so proud of their work, they'll put their own name on it (is the "Fibson" brand name copyrighted?) and become a major competitor to Gibson. A fair fight is better than a rigged fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plutoshound Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 One problem.This site is a primer for fakers' date=' they see what the public is looking for - improving their fakes. I'm with Gibson on this one, they know what they're looking for but they don't tell everybody everything. Anytime a suspected fake has been posted here, I'm careful in sharing with the world what I notice about it. I usually send a PM to the potential buyer with my assessment in private. I dunno. Tough call for me. [/quote'] Had to join to put in my two cents...Neoconman, I disagree. Here is the bulk of my email to Simon at Fibsons: Several points in no particular order: Fakers can always go buy a Gibson or look at one in a shop!!! or look at pictures like I have in my auctions. What a real Gibson looks like is not top secret. Christ, they could send pictures of their guitars to Gibson for a critique maybe.............."Well we can tell your guitar is not real because it has no fret edge binding and the knobs are in the wrong place". Fakers are mostly too busy faking guitars to check out your site. Most of them don't speak English and many are plain stupid...for example the fake ESP Explorers that are missing the last 5 or 6 frets and instead have "ESP" branded in the fretboard because they didn't realize the pictures they copied had a fret protector covering the board. THAT is stupid!!! Chances are you are not telling them anything they don't already know or couldn't find out IF they cared too. Making a perfect fake will be out of their reach as it is not cost effective. They will always have crappy materials. Fakes are aimed at buyers who don't know what they are buying...you are educating the buyer. Finally and this is the most important point.........I will make an analogy: you are the sex education program that distributes condoms. Neoconman is the well meaning Christian who wants you banned because he thinks kids will have sex once they know how and have condoms. All the studies have shown otherwise. You are forward thinking and proactive...they are reactive..they are wrong. Keep doing what you are doing. You are right!! Don't second guess yourself!! I think you would feel better if you encouraged your readers to be sure and buy from a reputable dealer and if they have any doubts to contact Gibson with pictures at service@gibson.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plutoshound Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Keep holding their feet to the fire. If they keep improving their product to keep ahead of the counterfeit exposers' date=' they will eventually have too much money wrapped up in their Fibson and abandon the project as not worth the effort. --- or ---- they'll be so proud of their work, they'll put their own name on it (is the "Fibson" brand name copyrighted?) and become a major competitor to Gibson. A fair fight is better than a rigged fight.[/quote'] Yes...yes...that is what I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basshole Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I can't wait until scammers try to make Gibson Les Paul Axcess with a Fender Tremolo Bar, I need a good laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plutoshound Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I can't wait until scammers try to make Gibson Les Paul Axcess with a Fender Tremolo Bar' date=' I need a good laugh.[/quote'] Some of them would if you asked them. There are/were "shops" that would make whatever you wanted I think...so they would just throw something together that looked vaguely like what the customer wanted. sooner or later the buyer would realize it was crap and sell it. Then some of the real problems would begin. For instance the left handed "Custom Shop Joe Perry" on fibsons..I doubt they made a whole run of those...especially as most people have never seen or even heard of that model...and ...well..it is left handed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djroge1 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Well there's nothing left on the site except a letter. I missed it. I guess I just stick with the old LP I already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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