Phil OKeefe Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 10 hours ago, Larsongs said: OffsetGuitars.com a Fender Forum has a Thread about these. I'm a member on OSG. Yes, they have a thread that discusses the new Victory models. https://offsetguitars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=128883 However, if you ask the good folks over there if the Victory is truly an offset body design, I think you'll find that the majority of them will tell you that it is not. Again, a true offset has one side (the bass side) of the body's waist that's closer to the neck than the other (the treble side), like a Jaguar or Jazz Bass. The Victory has a symmetrical waist, not an offset waist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 1 hour ago, Phil OKeefe said: I'm a member on OSG. Yes, they have a thread that discusses the new Victory models. https://offsetguitars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=128883 However, if you ask the good folks over there if the Victory is truly an offset body design, I think you'll find that the majority of them will tell you that it is not. Again, a true offset has one side (the bass side) of the body's waist that's closer to the neck than the other (the treble side), like a Jaguar or Jazz Bass. The Victory has a symmetrical waist, not an offset waist. The Bass side is closer to the neck at the Pics I’m seeing. Including the OP’s Pic of 3 Victory’s.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil OKeefe Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 It may appear that way, but it's really not. Compare it to a Duo Sonic or a Jazz Bass. That's an offset. It's not "close" or subtle at all. It's really obvious. While I don't have a Victory here to take side by side comparison photos, here are two of my Fenders that illustrate it pretty clearly. 1975 Duo Sonic (no, the Duo Sonic wasn't made in '75, but this was converted from a '75 Musicmaster at the Fender Custom Shop by my friend and former bandmate Dennis Galuszka). This is an offset. Offset bodies are not subtle – they're very obvious. 1986 MIJ 1962 Custom Telecaster Reissue. Not an offset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 The Victory is Stratish shaped, but an offset it’s not. $2499 for the gloss ones 500 less for the satin one. Would this be considered a student guitar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil OKeefe Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 Here's the Fender Jazzmaster Patent that covers (and describes) an offset waist body: https://patents.google.com/patent/US2960900A "Electric guitars are conventionally constructed with relatively solid bodies formed of hardwood and relatively heavy. Such bodies, at least in the case of guitars adapted to be played when in a generally vertical or upright plane, have previously been manufactured with recesses or depressions in the upper and lower edges thereof. Such recesses are conventionally directly opposite each other, that is to say have their centers disposed generally on a perpendicular to the longitudinal axis of the guitar. It has been found, however, that such positioning of the recesses or depressions causes the guitarist to be relatively uncomfortable during playing, and results in awkwardness and difficulty in achieving the proper and desired plucking or picking positions. Stated otherwise, it has been discovered that the conventional body construction of an electric guitar is susceptible of great improvement in order to increase the comfort of the guitarist and result in improved playing with minimized awkwardness, especially as regards the relative locations of the recesses in the upper and lower edges of the guitar body." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 13 hours ago, Phil OKeefe said: I'm a member on OSG. Yes, they have a thread that discusses the new Victory models. https://offsetguitars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=128883 However, if you ask the good folks over there if the Victory is truly an offset body design, I think you'll find that the majority of them will tell you that it is not. Again, a true offset has one side (the bass side) of the body's waist that's closer to the neck than the other (the treble side), like a Jaguar or Jazz Bass. The Victory has a symmetrical waist, not an offset waist. I’m a member also. Maybe there’s something wrong with my eyes but the waist & body of the Victory’s look offset to me. The pickups aren’t slanted but I’m not aware of that being required to qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil OKeefe Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 11 hours ago, Larsongs said: I’m a member also. Maybe there’s something wrong with my eyes but the waist & body of the Victory’s look offset to me. The pickups aren’t slanted but I’m not aware of that being required to qualify. A Jaguar doesn't have slanted pickups, nor does a Jazz Bass, and neither does a Jazzmaster, but all three are true offset body designs. The shape and angle of the pickups doesn't matter – only the drastically asymmetrical waist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 1 hour ago, Phil OKeefe said: A Jaguar doesn't have slanted pickups, nor does a Jazz Bass, and neither does a Jazzmaster, but all three are true offset body designs. The shape and angle of the pickups doesn't matter – only the drastically asymmetrical waist. I know. I own an AV65 Jaguar & an AV65 Jazzmaster. I was pointing out to you angle of Pickups don’t figure into it. To my eye the Waist on the Bass side are shifted forward towards the neck. Also, the entire Body is shifted forward. Looks like an Offset to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 My Victory Bass sure looks offset to me. I'll grab a yardstick and take pics later. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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